accident at traffic circle in river heights, one man in hospital

Jondo wrote:Ah the drivers manual again. There is a component to life called Normal Practice. It's learned behavior. Don't be foolish with the technical argument or you might as well tell the parents of the deceased flagger that you learned in school to not stand in the middle of the road. If the traffic-circle accident/liability issue went to court it would be argued on reasonable grounds of responsibility. I maintain that the driver could easily take the position that he/she did not expect an obstruction and that should there be one - the onus be on the party who placed the danger to inform and educate users.

Have you ever been to England? They have traffic circles - we don't. But what they also have, that we don't, is generations of drivers that have become accustomed to them. They also know how to drive on the other side of the road. How many accidents do you think we'd have in Winnipeg next week if they adopted, unbeknowst, that we were switching sides of the road - england style? There would be crashes galore. Would we all be idiots? Real traffic circles primarily have a merge function - they are not deployed in England to reduce speed. These are obstructions and nothing more. The person in stable condition in the hospital should sue the idiots who erected them. Telling somebody who was killed by a gun that they should have read the manual is - and I'm sorry - idiotic.

grumpy old man wrote:@ umcrouc0

Go read that link where it discusses emergency vehicle routes and transit routes.

I guess my point is getting lost in translation. I believe four way stop signs are a much safer traffic calming measure than these circles. And cheaper to boot.

Tell me again how this is better.

Jondo wrote:You're now talking about "new" drivers and my point has consistently applied to the senses of ALL drivers. But on that note - it will be the "more experienced" drivers who are challenged by these obstructions.

umcrouc0 wrote:The idea is that a circle forces someone to slow down because there's a physical barrier to prevent them from going too fast, while a four-way relies on people stopping. There's no physical obstruction stopping them from going through at any speed they want. That's the theory behind these things at least.

grumpyrom wrote:I drive through 3 of the stupid fricking barriers every day twice a day to drop my daughter off at school and am only surprised there aren't more collisions. The one at Grosvenor and Waverly is still treated like a 4 way 95% of the time except for the 5 % who drive straight through without even looking. It's a nightmare that forces you to behave like an idiot as well since you also have to stop to avoid all the other confused drivers who can't figure out how to yield and are sitting at the intersection waving everyone else through. It is impossible to predict anyone else's behaviour at the intersection which only makes it worse.

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rosencrentz wrote:I love those circles! Each day I go down, take my portable chair and a large cup of coffee with double cream, in an insulated cup, park close by and then sit and watch the entertainment.
REPORT-- Grey haired ladies and gentlemen are so entertaining! Young aggressive types are scary!

CitizenSourpuss wrote:

grumpyrom wrote:I drive through 3 of the stupid fricking barriers every day twice a day to drop my daughter off at school and am only surprised there aren't more collisions. The one at Grosvenor and Waverly is still treated like a 4 way 95% of the time except for the 5 % who drive straight through without even looking. It's a nightmare that forces you to behave like an idiot as well since you also have to stop to avoid all the other confused drivers who can't figure out how to yield and are sitting at the intersection waving everyone else through. It is impossible to predict anyone else's behaviour at the intersection which only makes it worse.

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THIS.

The one at Waverley is a nightmare. I've nearly been t-boned twice when using it properly. Idjits around me are ALL using it as a 4-way. And not a sexy party 4-way either. HATE.

grumpyrom wrote:

CitizenSourpuss wrote:

grumpyrom wrote:I drive through 3 of the stupid fricking barriers every day twice a day to drop my daughter off at school and am only surprised there aren't more collisions. The one at Grosvenor and Waverly is still treated like a 4 way 95% of the time except for the 5 % who drive straight through without even looking. It's a nightmare that forces you to behave like an idiot as well since you also have to stop to avoid all the other confused drivers who can't figure out how to yield and are sitting at the intersection waving everyone else through. It is impossible to predict anyone else's behaviour at the intersection which only makes it worse.

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THIS.

The one at Waverley is a nightmare. I've nearly been t-boned twice when using it properly. Idjits around me are ALL using it as a 4-way. And not a sexy party 4-way either. HATE.

Glad I'm not the only one who HATES that particular location. It is such a busy spot in during rush hour, and is impossible to use correctly even if you do understand how the traffic circle works due to the other drivers that DON'T understand them at all. It just turns into one giant, unpredictable 4-way mess. At least before with the 4-way stops at that intersection you knew with 99.9% accuracy what the other parties would do. Now it's a free for all.

Now tell me exactly who the frick this benefits? A few dozen cyclists a day that no longer must stop at a 4-way but probably weren't in the first place anyways ?

These things are total bullshit.

Deank wrote:do any of the people going straight signal?

Deank wrote:live streaming of the traffic cirles

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