Drunks Force Downtown Winnipeg Business to Close

CitizenSourpuss wrote:

Deank wrote:"To describe a lot of these isolated northern places as being 3rd world is kind"

and there ya lost me.. Lost me completely. to describe ANY reserve in Canada as less then 3rd world is an insane insult and outright LIE. They are not even close to 3rd world. Not even close.

I'm not suggesting that ALL reservations or even MOST reservations are third world poverty levels, but it'd eat your dirty boxer shorts with a shot of Tabasco sauce before agreeing with you about it not being close.

Have you lived in a remote fly-in only, no road rez before? I recommend a trip to Pikangikum or Sandy Lake, ON for a few months, and visit some homes there. I don't expect that an interjection on an online forum would actually change your opinion, but I am saying that there really, really is another side that most of Canada DOES NOT EVER SEE.

Lack of clean drinking water, dirt floors in homes lined with cardboard in the miserable ON winter, outhouses, no running water, 8 -12 people in a 2 bedroom house, roaming packs of starving dogs? Charging people $20 for a jug of milk because it has to be flown in?

Poverty is deeply ingrained. Nobody works, because there ISN'T a bloody place TO work. Government gives money to those who have more kids. Why reach for the stars if all you need to make another $600 a month is another baby? Working for $8/h at the Northern Store is not going to cut it.

JTF wrote:It appears this cancer is spreading....
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/One-hospitalized-after-brawl-near-Bar-Italia-99776159.html

Police responded to a fight that broke out near Corydon Avenue and Cockburn Street around 1:20 a.m. Monday.
One adult male was taken to hospital in stable condition with minor injuries.
Police said conflicting reports indicated as many as 10 to 20 people may have been involved.

Deank wrote:

CitizenSourpuss wrote:

Deank wrote:"To describe a lot of these isolated northern places as being 3rd world is kind"

and there ya lost me.. Lost me completely. to describe ANY reserve in Canada as less then 3rd world is an insane insult and outright LIE. They are not even close to 3rd world. Not even close.

I'm not suggesting that ALL reservations or even MOST reservations are third world poverty levels, but it'd eat your dirty boxer shorts with a shot of Tabasco sauce before agreeing with you about it not being close.

Have you lived in a remote fly-in only, no road rez before? I recommend a trip to Pikangikum or Sandy Lake, ON for a few months, and visit some homes there. I don't expect that an interjection on an online forum would actually change your opinion, but I am saying that there really, really is another side that most of Canada DOES NOT EVER SEE.

Lack of clean drinking water, dirt floors in homes lined with cardboard in the miserable ON winter, outhouses, no running water, 8 -12 people in a 2 bedroom house, roaming packs of starving dogs? Charging people $20 for a jug of milk because it has to be flown in?

Poverty is deeply ingrained. Nobody works, because there ISN'T a bloody place TO work. Government gives money to those who have more kids. Why reach for the stars if all you need to make another $600 a month is another baby? Working for $8/h at the Northern Store is not going to cut it.

You are going to have to eat a substantial amount of 100% cotton my dear. The fact that they HAVE walls puts them a giant leap above 3rd world. The fact that the roaming packs of starving dogs have not been slaughtered for food puts them beyond even thinking of them in the same sentence as 3rd world countries.

I lived in a house with no running water. FOR TEN YEARS. It means nothing. You melt snow in the winter, carry it in the summer. Its not difficult. No clean water.. dig a freakin well, BY HAND, 20 feet deep.

But you know what separates them completely from 3rd world conditions? They can move. There is no loss of utter hopelessness. They ARE in control of their own destiny.

We can discuss this again when you see a Native child living on Reserve that looks like this

Deank wrote:utter hopelessness is my basic line of where 3rd world is. The reserves are not, very far from it. Hell the mere fact that Stores operate on these reserves and can sell milk at $20 is a good indicator that its not 3rd world.


" it's more than just a social problem. Kids do not get to decide where
they live, if they can leave, what they eat, whether or not creepy uncle
Joe crawls into bed with them. Nobody is teaching them otherwise
either."

And when "the evil white man" takes the kids away, its called racism right?

rosencrentz wrote:DeanK- that picture is quite horrible.

EdWin wrote:I'm currently in BC on a work roady. There was a news broadcast stating how Winnipeg was the worst in Canada for aboriginal issues in large urban areas, and how the city is deteriorating because of it, affect peoples (across Canada) perceptions of the city as a whole (calling it an urban ghetto). Granted I only caught about 5 minutes of it, and I don't know if this was THE topic of the broadcast, but needless to say, Winnipeg's image is suffering, and that is never a good thing to have broadcast across the country.

eViL tRoLl wrote:Reserves and "3rd world" also have tremendous population growth in common. It's bizarre to see the teen moms with 6 kids of "unknown" fathers.

Deank wrote:"Time for the aliens to land and start that intergalactic bbq party."

Pfft... aliens are smart...they are BBQing from space.. or did you think Global warming was man made? Everyone knows slow roasted tastes better

EdWin wrote:..... I rarely get positive comments about the city from friends that live in Toronto/Montreal/Vancouver...etc until they actually come here.

That being said, We've got a lot of work to do here beyond just clearing up our image.