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St Norberter

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The bus stop I am talking about is the one in front of CityPlace on Graham. The thing I find interesting is that the majority of the buses that come from the more 'well off' suburbs ( River Heights, St.Vital, Linden Woods, Whyte Ridge, etc) all stop either at Portage and Fort or Main and Pioneer. Yet the route that goes to Ft. Richmond / St. Norbert stops way over at cityplace ( along with north main, Talbot, EK, and transcona buses). Why is that? Not that I car really, but it is kind of a PITA when I have to leave work 10 min earlier than my co-workers, because my bus stop is 4 blocks away and all their bus stops are right on the corner.

Strange.

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Sourpuss

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jimj_wpg wrote:

JTF wrote:Ever hear of the broken window syndrome?

Arrest people for spitting on the street....for flicking a cigarette but on the ground...for anything that's causing a problem....all the little things....zero tolerance.

But first we'd have to build some jails....or perhaps ship people off to their home reserves.

You may know where I'm going with this....directing some attention to the Indian Elephant in the room.

Check out what happened in New York City when this was done.

http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&safe=off&q=broken+window+effect&aq=6&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=broken+wind&gs_rfai=&fp=3ca66db58134ebc6

So, applying this to a specific situation in Winnipeg.

In the past few years (say ~5) there have been Indians who have sat on the ground near the Graham entrance to The Bay.

The reason why they might feel comfortable doing this is because The Bay hasn't kept its property clean enough. The doors need to be repainted or re-whatever to make them look new again. Maybe the sidewalk should be made to look squeeky clean.

That way the Indians won't feel comfortable there, and they'll move on.

Funny how the management of The Bay doesn't do anything to shooo 'em away, they're perhaps too scared of legal action re: "human rights".

In parts of BC, this problem is solved by installing outdoor speakers at businesses in d/t areas where vagrants/squatters/folks from the rez are congregating. They blast horrible music at loud levels from the speakers, and nobody loiters. Band aid solution, yes, as it doesn't solve the vagrancy issue, but it keeps people away from problem areas at night.

Having worked for Northwest Company on reserves in northern Ontario and in northern Manitoba, I can honestly say that I understand why native folk gravitate to the city. There is very little incentive to stay on reserve. Housing shortage, limited activities, little to no employment, "dry" policies prohibiting alcohol, high teen pregnancy rates, mass solvent abuse, skyrocketing suicide rates, and often no potable water = more appealing to be in the city with things going on then miserable and bored. Solution? More activities and stimuli on reserve. Improve access to housing & medical. Increased med access would also limit the # of people leaving rez, as most people have to fly to Winnipeg or Thunder Bay for anything more major than stitches. Then they never go back.

Cycle needs breaking, or it perpetuates endlessly.

rosencrentz

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Oh my gosh , we need more resources to solve the problem! More money for everyonf, more housing , more furniture, better food, netter medecine, more jobs, more pain killers, more alcohol swabs!
I am not trying to be facetious here, as I do not know what the word means , but every where every one is short of everything!

Sourpuss

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Money makes the world go around.

Isolated reserves are one inch away from the outer rings of Hades. I've seen things on rez Sandy Lake, ON that citified white-y people can't even imagine happening in a first world country like Canada. To describe a lot of these isolated northern places as being 3rd world is kind. Much of the behavior exhibited by the folks that are taking over the city from the outlying areas is learned helplessness, and the government is absolutely complicit in continuing the cycle by just giving hand outs, and not forcing the reward to be earned somehow. Rather than blaming aboriginals, I blame the Feds.

DowntownBIZ

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Deank wrote:"now all downtown bus shelters are washed and deodorized every second day ("

LOL, yeah even when its below freezing and you make ice!

heh.. only hurt for a little while

In the winter, the snow is pushed, ice is chipped, sand is spread, litter is picked, windows are washed every other week. No need to deodorize!

Deank

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"To describe a lot of these isolated northern places as being 3rd world is kind"

and there ya lost me.. Lost me completely. to describe ANY reserve in Canada as less then 3rd world is an insane insult and outright LIE. They are not even close to 3rd world. Not even close.

EdWin

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CitizenSourpuss wrote:Rather than blaming aboriginals, I blame the Feds.

Oh my, I hope we don't have yet another apologist on our hands. Drunks Force Downtown Winnipeg Business to Close - Page 8 Icon_eek

Sorry to say, but even despite the inept managment of the government when it comes to indian affairs, there remains plenty of opportunities for indians on the reserves to take advantage of monies other than "welfare", such as educational grants to go to school, better themselves and become productive members of society. Not to mention all the minority status opportunites that are available to those who apply for positions where they are available. There is a decent amount of opportunity out there. However, I imagine the majority of these people are brought up in a home environment that is not condusive to wanting one to better oneself, such as by staying and finishing school. Who do you blame for that mentality, the gov't?

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DowntownBIZ wrote:

Deank wrote:"now all downtown bus shelters are washed and deodorized every second day ("

LOL, yeah even when its below freezing and you make ice!

heh.. only hurt for a little while

In the winter, the snow is pushed, ice is chipped, sand is spread, litter is picked, windows are washed every other week. No need to deodorize!

yeah yeah,, except this winter passed where winter snuck up on us (and you guys)

DowntownBIZ

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St Norberter wrote:The bus stop I am talking about is the one in front of CityPlace on Graham. The thing I find interesting is that the majority of the buses that come from the more 'well off' suburbs ( River Heights, St.Vital, Linden Woods, Whyte Ridge, etc) all stop either at Portage and Fort or Main and Pioneer. Yet the route that goes to Ft. Richmond / St. Norbert stops way over at cityplace ( along with north main, Talbot, EK, and transcona buses). Why is that? Not that I car really, but it is kind of a PITA when I have to leave work 10 min earlier than my co-workers, because my bus stop is 4 blocks away and all their bus stops are right on the corner.

Strange.

Yes, that is one I would have guessed. That’s a busy stop. It’s cleaned 3 times a day, and it becomes littered within an hour of the crew leaving. The city cleans it 2-3 times a week as well, and City Place sends out their staff too.
The bus stops in front of the MTS Center, in front of Portage Place and at Vaughn and Graham are terrible to maintain too.
We are thinking fining people might do the trick!

DowntownBIZ

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JTF wrote:

DowntownBIZ wrote:

.......... This takes time, and planning and everyone working together.

Isn't 30 or 40 years enough time to get this shet fixed???

JTF, poverty and addiction have been around before Jesus himself. So no, 30-40 years is not enough. I don't know what the answer is, but doing nothing is not an option.

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