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the winnipeg sandbox » winnipeg sports... » other sports discussion... » POLL: Continue or scrap the Crestwin Bomber stadium project?

POLL: Continue or scrap the Crestwin Bomber stadium project?

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Edmonton averages in the high 30's per game during the season. I'd bet that if they were to build a new stadium today, without a Commonwealth games or World University Games in the offing they'd not be building a 63k seat stadium.

Remember the first Grey Cup held in Winnipeg? We sat 55k~ for that game and get by in a stadium that seats 30k. I think the Bombers could seat more but 20 years of futility and a pathetic excuse of a venue all conspire against that achievement...

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JTF wrote:Exactly.

This stadium deal represents all that is wrong with the NDP government.

These guys are buying beer when the baby hasn't got any milk.

Wonder if Stephen has fiqured out how to give Quebec their money for that stadium yet , after all gotta get a majority there . It is by no means a NDP thing.

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55Thou, yes, temporary seating . But I kinda think the new stadium won't be able to adjust for seating, or will it. If its a bowl, the ability to cram in an additional 20 to 30 thou will be hard to do .

With the grey Cup coming around every 6 to 10 years, it would make sense to take advantage of it. Smaller venues are in vogue but even Montreal defaults to the Big O for big games where they attract 50 thou plus. Just a thought . We either build for the big games or we satisfy ourselves with lost revenues.

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My understanding the current new stadium design accomodated a few thousand more seats for a Grey Cup. Not sure how many though.

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One of the reasons Montreal is so successful is they have a very high demand for tickets and very few to offer. Their ticket prices are the highest in the league and they've sold out for several years now. I expect that model would work here is well.

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The other thing Montreal has going for them is their winning percentage.
For the last couple of years the Blue have been pretty successful at the Box Office even with their old stadium. But once the fans realize the team will not make the playoffs the casual fan support comes to a grinding halt. Heck I have seen longggg time season ticket holders stop coming when the bombers are or soon will be mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.

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Outsider wrote:Heck I have seen longggg time season ticket holders stop coming when the bombers are or soon will be mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.
That includes moi...

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One thing to consider with your proposal for free admission though Liv.

#1 - 12 & under need to have a parent with them...do the parents get in free too?...where do they sit, because I know I wouldn't want my little kid by themselves in an isolated section...even if there WAS security setup for them.

#2 - handicapped people will have the same requirement. Either someone to care for them, or push their chair, etc. And there's plenty of people who would "rent" a chair (yes, it can be done), just to get the free bomber ticket.

It's great to offer incentives like that...but all those things must be considered.

A ticket sale is not based on age, it's based on a seat being used (because it's assigned seating).
Having a discounted ticket for a kid is fine...even if it's only $5...provided the ticket-taker verifies the kid is present when the ticket is checked in, and that some sort of security verifies it sometime during the game.

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If you are going to start discounting tickets, they have to be in the "less desirable" locations.
If I am paying full price and I find out the guys beside me are getting in at a discount, I stop going permanently.

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I've often said discount the tickets in the areas that are always purchased last. You know where they are just by looking at the corners: they are almost always empty.

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Outsider wrote:If you are going to start discounting tickets, they have to be in the "less desirable" locations.
If I am paying full price and I find out the guys beside me are getting in at a discount, I stop going permanently.

No, I'll disagree there a bit.

Yes...if I'm there and a bunch of guys/gals my age are there and they got their tickets for 1/2 price on the same row I am...then I'd be a little peeved.

But if there's a family of say Dad, mom & 3 kids (under say 16)...I don't have any problem with those kids getting discount tickets, as long as the parents paid full price.
Those kids are (typically) going to do less damage to the seats, are going to (probably) eat more food, and will likely grow up to buy full-priced tickets themselves if they enjoy the game/event.

I also don't have a problem with discount tickets for people who buy packages/season tickets...as they will put more money up front than I might.

And I'd never have a problem with offering a discount ticket for a handicapped person, or a handicap assistant, provided some proof of legitimacy was provided for the purchase (some kind of medical ID # or something).

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AGEsAces wrote:One thing to consider with your proposal for free admission though Liv.

#1 - 12 & under need to have a parent with them...do the parents get in free too?...where do they sit, because I know I wouldn't want my little kid by themselves in an isolated section...even if there WAS security setup for them.

#2 - handicapped people will have the same requirement. Either someone to care for them, or push their chair, etc. And there's plenty of people who would "rent" a chair (yes, it can be done), just to get the free bomber ticket.

It's great to offer incentives like that...but all those things must be considered.

A ticket sale is not based on age, it's based on a seat being used (because it's assigned seating).
Having a discounted ticket for a kid is fine...even if it's only $5...provided the ticket-taker verifies the kid is present when the ticket is checked in, and that some sort of security verifies it sometime during the game.


1) parents could/should attend regardless if they are fractional owners. Non owners can buy a ticket from the pool of available frac owners who do not attend. But the areas can be monitored by staff. The idea is not to shut the doors down to anyone regardless of their age or financial position.

2) Same as existing stadium, handicapped people will have their needs respected

Of course , evferyhting will be up for discussion. The point is you want the site to be as human as possible and make it a true Community based solution. I figure adding the childrens area would generate 2000 mouths to feed for the whole game plus allow for adequate seating for the true fans of the game.

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grumpy old man wrote:One of the reasons Montreal is so successful is they have a very high demand for tickets and very few to offer. Their ticket prices are the highest in the league and they've sold out for several years now. I expect that model would work here is well.



The only thing different is Montreal has a 75 THousand seat stadium for the big games to accomodate the additional demand. We won't.

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Outsider wrote:If you are going to start discounting tickets, they have to be in the "less desirable" locations.
If I am paying full price and I find out the guys beside me are getting in at a discount, I stop going permanently.



Outsider, the only people who get in for free will be the kids and disabled. As for you, I'd expect you to be an owner and you'd have your choice of what you want to buy or where to sit. If you don't want to be an owner, you'd have to pay full price for a ticket based on where and what is available for you to sit in.

Don't forget , as an owner, you also get season tickets including playoffs for anywhere between 100 to 250 bucks a year.( pending what the team needs to operate )

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Is there a covered stadium in North Dakota? How many seats? Where is it?

http://www.elansofas.com

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rosencrentz wrote:Is there a covered stadium in North Dakota? How many seats? Where is it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fargodome

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48 million, not bad 25000 people. 400 million could buy a pretty impressive stadium with 50 thousand quite easily.

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Only 19,000 seats- too bad, because with a few more seats maybe The Bombers could have rented it for November play off games, tying in a shopping spree in Grand Forks, with a weekend game.
We wouldnt have to use it too often as we don't make the play offs too often. sigh!

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I was looking at the web cam today, construction is still proceeding at the site

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Disgusting display of leadership. An insult to a City that "wants" to be seen as progressive. Don't know about you but I'm beginning to feel more and more like a hick.

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Black Rod keeps hammering the stadium deal. 200 Million plus. Now he's kinda guessing the old one gets fixed or Selinger will sink his boat and go down with it

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from BR.. a quote from the premier about the stadium

"Selinger: "All people from Manitoba that go to university will have access to it. All members of the community will have access to it. It'll be available 24/7, 12 months of the year.""


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Excuse me?

How is that possible? We dont have any buildings NOW that are 24/7 for sports.

I really find it impossible to believe that Once(if) this thing is built a soccer team will be able to call up and say.. we want the field for practice at 4AM this Saturday. And actually get it, without some MASSIVE cost.

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Livio Ciaralli wrote:Black Rod keeps hammering the stadium deal. 200 Million plus. Now he's kinda guessing the old one gets fixed or Selinger will sink his boat and go down with it

The Province is beyond flat broke. Just wait until Selinger coughs up millions for the stadium AND millions more that he doesn't have for the rights museum. Goodbye NDP for the next generation or so.

Do it, Selinger, do it!

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Deank wrote:Excuse me?

How is that possible? We dont have any buildings NOW that are 24/7 for sports.

I really find it impossible to believe that Once(if) this thing is built a soccer team will be able to call up and say.. we want the field for practice at 4AM this Saturday. And actually get it, without some MASSIVE cost.
I can't believe you could get it at 4 PM without some serious cost, never mind 4 AM.
That 160, or whatever million it turns out to be is going to have be paid back somehow..

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Seems more like the other way around...
EVERYONE will be able to use the facility 24/7, since it'll be made with taxpayer money...
Problem is, by that time, the team will probably already have been sold and transferred to another city...


We can always make it into the biggest KARAOKE facility in the world...

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