All Things Election

Freeman wrote:Hmmm, if in a communist ideal, we're all equal and we all give according to our ability, how can any of us be identified as leaders?
If you put 10 people in a room, give them a problem, one person will emerge as the leader. Remove them and give the 9 remaining a problem another person will emerge, etc. While this works great in a room of 10 clued out people, how does a communist state of several million decide who the leader is?
And another thing...while communism and dictatorial regimes are not synonomous, why is it that communist states are basically run by dictators? Is this a fundamental problem with the ideals of communism? People by nature, just don't like to be treated like crap, but the only way to maintain the communist ideal is to beat it into the population?

Hmm..ive always pictured the state after the revolution something like this:
People are picked from birth to do a job needed by the people... all jobs are the same because they are not on a differing pay scale (doctors are the same as garbage men). This is a big deal to most capitalists, but you're looking through the capitalist mind set.. the a garbage guy is a lesser job than a doctor..
not true, in my world...we're all the same, we'll be treated the same. This will turn into a more productive and efficient system with everybody happy that they have everything they need.

ooo the best part.. when Harper said "I will not raise taxes" started taking a drink of water and the moderator said.. You wont raise taxes" Harper responded simply.. I will not raise taxes and continued taking his drink..

Cool as a cucumber...

I did not like Layton and May's Pistol and autorifle ban..

Seriously. Ban hand guns? are they stupid? 95% of guns used are smuggled in from the USA.

I have a great idea, lets Ban poverty. Wake up stupids (layton, Dion, may).

Why can I understand Gille Ducept well and yet I cant make out 80% of what comes out of Dion's mouth?

And GC, that was funny when Layton said to Dion. you cant do your job as opposition what business do you have running for PM. LOL Great Jab. Too Bad everyone else didn't jump on Dion at that moment.

egomaniac wrote:

Freeman wrote:Hmmm, if in a communist ideal, we're all equal and we all give according to our ability, how can any of us be identified as leaders?
If you put 10 people in a room, give them a problem, one person will emerge as the leader. Remove them and give the 9 remaining a problem another person will emerge, etc. While this works great in a room of 10 clued out people, how does a communist state of several million decide who the leader is?
And another thing...while communism and dictatorial regimes are not synonomous, why is it that communist states are basically run by dictators? Is this a fundamental problem with the ideals of communism? People by nature, just don't like to be treated like crap, but the only way to maintain the communist ideal is to beat it into the population?

Hmm..ive always pictured the state after the revolution something like this:
People are picked from birth to do a job needed by the people... all jobs are the same because they are not on a differing pay scale (doctors are the same as garbage men). This is a big deal to most capitalists, but you're looking through the capitalist mind set.. the a garbage guy is a lesser job than a doctor..
not true, in my world...we're all the same, we'll be treated the same. This will turn into a more productive and efficient system with everybody happy that they have everything they need.

I see a couple of flaws in your theory. First, how and when do you select people for their occupations. At what age can you tell someone should be a doctor vs a garbage man? What if things change along the way, how or equally important, who decides to switch occupations?
I want to make it clear that I don't believe that a garbage man is lesser than a doctor, but certainly the doctor requires a greater intelligence, drive, compassion and a whole different skill set than the gb. If one of my kids became a gb, I would certainly encourage him to face more challenge, but I really couldn't think anything less of him. My father was a bus driver for his working career. He was an incredibly intelligent man, and while he played the hand he was dealt, the always wanted, expected and demanded more from us.
I always wonder, granted in an ideal, utopic setting, that if communism is such a great thing, why has it not worked anywhere?

"Why can I understand Gille Ducept well and yet I cant make out 80% of what comes out of Dion's mouth? "

its was very difficult listening to Dion. not impossible.. but difficult.

Deank wrote:"Why can I understand Gille Ducept well and yet I cant make out 80% of what comes out of Dion's mouth? "

its was very difficult listening to Dion. not impossible.. but difficult.

Borat (Dion) was sure hard to understand and almost impossible to listen to. I find him so annoying.

Dions accent was not an issue that I would use to base a vote on, but it made the discussion difficult to follow. And him as leader makes no never mind in my decision to vote or not for the Liberals.

Now the greens... I will definately not be voting for them based on May's performance. My god I can't for the life of me understand why they picked someone so..."flighty" as a leader. Can you imagine her as our actual PM? Christ it almost instantly reminder me of the Simpsons episode where Kang and Kodos were giving speeches to run for president.

I believe Dion's accent is French more so than Quebecois.

grumpy old man wrote:I believe Dion's accent is French more so than Quebecois.

I found him very hard to understand.

Goth_chic wrote:

grumpy old man wrote:I believe Dion's accent is French more so than Quebecois.

I found him very hard to understand.

I too found it very hard to understand what he was saying. How is he supposed to get his point across when myself and others don't understand.

I was disappointed in Harper, Why he sat there and took all the abuse was beyond me. I'm still voting Conservative though. all the others IMHO are bumbling fools.

His was a losing proposition. React to the baiting and possibly end up with a worst review.

Harper didn't want to damage the laid-back sweater guy image that's being promoted (to make him more likeable).

Their rants didn't faze him at all and it looked like water off a duck's back.

Isn't Harper hiding something under his sweater?

What does the Canadian electoral law say about handing over votes after the election? Can they (green to liberal) do it?
If yes, shouldn't the peeps get informed about this dilemma before the elections?

Goth_chic wrote:Isn't Harper hiding something under his sweater?

Is he pregnant?

Good question. But, in my prediction I said the greens will not elect one soul. If I'm correct, the question then becomes moot.

grumpy old man wrote:His was a losing proposition. React to the baiting and possibly end up with a worst review.

Yea.. It sure was. never easy to hit a debate with 4 others ganging up on you.

Gone are the days when the PM hopefuls actually debated instead of attack each others gaffe's. May should not have been included. What she had to say took away precious time from the real candidates in which to make their arguments.

Goth_chic wrote:Isn't Harper hiding something under his sweater?

That is his Desert Eagle .50

I'm glad May was included I wanted to hear what she had to say.

She talks faster than I can hear.

JTF wrote:She talks faster than I can hear.

Well maybe try being sober for a change...

He WAS sober! That's why he couldn't understand a word she said.
It's just that "political agenda" again...
She just can't seem to find it...

Touche and ouch.
...but what I mean is that she talks in chapters rather than paragraphs...if you know what I mean...a bit scattered brain kinda'...

JTF wrote:Touche and ouch.
...but what I mean is that she talks in chapters rather than paragraphs...if you know what I mean...a bit scattered brain kinda'...

I agree with you.

And Dion speaks in non-objective abstract.

Layton speaks very well, Too bad his thoughts and policy makes no sense.

LivingDead wrote:

JTF wrote:Touche and ouch.
...but what I mean is that she talks in chapters rather than paragraphs...if you know what I mean...a bit scattered brain kinda'...

I agree with you.

And Dion speaks in non-objective abstract.

Layton speaks very well, Too bad his thoughts and policy makes no sense.

I think Layton is RUDE. He articulates well, but I wouldn't want his brash mannerisms in a PM.

Dion is very hard to understand. When he has the floor, and isn't part of a fray, he does well. But in any kind of discussion, he looks defensive and weak. "No! You're twisting my words around!" type thing. I think he said last night. "that has nothing to do with anything". Maybe true, but it comes across very negatively on camera.

I hated the debate format. All of them yelling all at once - I stopped trying to listen to those bits.

darkwind wrote:

LivingDead wrote:

JTF wrote:Touche and ouch.
...but what I mean is that she talks in chapters rather than paragraphs...if you know what I mean...a bit scattered brain kinda'...

I agree with you.

And Dion speaks in non-objective abstract.

Layton speaks very well, Too bad his thoughts and policy makes no sense.

I think Layton is RUDE. He articulates well, but I wouldn't want his brash mannerisms in a PM.

Dion is very hard to understand. When he has the floor, and isn't part of a fray, he does well. But in any kind of discussion, he looks defensive and weak. "No! You're twisting my words around!" type thing. I think he said last night. "that has nothing to do with anything". Maybe true, but it comes across very negatively on camera.

I hated the debate format. All of them yelling all at once - I stopped trying to listen to those bits.

Agreed the format was not very good.

I would like to see a debate with Layton, Dion and Harper with a different style of debate than the all attack one that was witnessed last night.