All Things Election

Referring to LD's earlier post, do you think that Dijon knows that Bob Rae is gunning for his job? Dijon must know it, everyone says he's a smart man.

I know it's not a big party in the elections...but since I (almost) had a runin with them this weekend, I'll mention it.

I went to my door Sunday morning to collect the weekend "flyers" I always find in my mailbox. There was actually one there from the Communist Party.

And then, across the street, there were actually people knocking on doors canvassing the neighborhood with flyers in their hand from the CP.

Now...I must not have heard them knocking...or they assumed noone was home since my lights were all off...but either way, I'm glad I didn't have to open the door for them.

Their flyer said something about "Are you of the belief that Capitalism will save the world?" And then had their propaganda about how Communism is the better alternative.

Now...I don't claim to know everything about government...but wouldn't a Communist running for office be an oxymoron of sorts? (or, with no oxy at all?).

Wouldn't that become "Democracy"...and therefore anti-communist?

Communal Societies "on paper" make sense...but they don't accommodate the natural "greed" of humans, or allow for the development for advancement...as everything is supposedly "equal" for all.

I seriously doubt they'll win anything...but I find it interesting (me being from the US originally), that they even go out and campaign. I would imagine if the same group tried to campaign in the midwest of the US...there's a good chance they'd be met with a 12-Gauge and a Hound Dog.

What I really find ironic about the Commies is that so many people immigrated here during WW1 when the revolution was in full stride in Russia. So if they came here to escape that, why would anyone want to go to that system?

Communism is not about dictatorship and has nothing to do with getting voted in, or taking the position by force and holding it.
While some people may be confused as to how a communist party can be running.. they are only confused because of dictatorships like China, Cuba, USSR bastardizing the communist idea.

Deank wrote:Communism is not about dictatorship and has nothing to do with getting voted in, or taking the position by force and holding it.
While some people may be confused as to how a communist party can be running.. they are only confused because of dictatorships like China, Cuba, USSR bastardizing the communist idea.

This I know...and I did not compare Communism with those countries.

But they do not have elections. The "leaders" are typically appointed because of their experience, skills, or quality...not because they campaigned for a position. They achieve their position because of a selection process...but it's usually based on attributes (or divine selection) which the communal society believes.

I know the Mormon Church is based on a Communist/Communal structure. That everyone has their "place" and "duties" to perform, in order to make the whole community better.

Generally though, a Communist society also does not allow for change. If someone has been taught to be a plumber...that is his "place" in society...and he should stay there, unless the "community" agrees that he can be a baker.

Hmmm, if in a communist ideal, we're all equal and we all give according to our ability, how can any of us be identified as leaders?
If you put 10 people in a room, give them a problem, one person will emerge as the leader. Remove them and give the 9 remaining a problem another person will emerge, etc. While this works great in a room of 10 clued out people, how does a communist state of several million decide who the leader is?
And another thing...while communism and dictatorial regimes are not synonomous, why is it that communist states are basically run by dictators? Is this a fundamental problem with the ideals of communism? People by nature, just don't like to be treated like crap, but the only way to maintain the communist ideal is to beat it into the population?

Freeman wrote:Hmmm, if in a communist ideal, we're all equal and we all give according to our ability, how can any of us be identified as leaders?
If you put 10 people in a room, give them a problem, one person will emerge as the leader. Remove them and give the 9 remaining a problem another person will emerge, etc. While this works great in a room of 10 clued out people, how does a communist state of several million decide who the leader is?
And another thing...while communism and dictatorial regimes are not synonomous, why is it that communist states are basically run by dictators? Is this a fundamental problem with the ideals of communism? People by nature, just don't like to be treated like crap, but the only way to maintain the communist ideal is to beat it into the population?

Your example is true...and in a communal society, it would generally be someone who has shown leadership skills, or has been "trained" for leadership.

But, like I stated before...in Communism, there is no room for change, no room for development, no room for greed. The basic nature of mankind is to acquire things. If it wasn't...then a 3-year-old kid would gladly share their toys and belongings with their brother/sister....instead of yelling "MINE MINE MINE!!!"

Communism on paper makes sense...but human nature isn't on paper...it's unstable and evolving...and changes with each individual...for which true Communism has no room...because Communism is a communal life...NOT an individual one.

the only reason a leader is needed is to deal with other people..
communism works just fine when there is only one person living alone in the bush somewhere.

Don't the Hutterites practice a form of communism?

Would the Hutterites lifestyle be communal vs communist? They certainly share work and wealth, but rather than the ideology of Marx, theirs is based on their faith.

capitalistic communism yes...

If I was a mod I'd try to get you guys back on topic. heh heh

you sure we would not just be banned outright?

now now...no hijacking the thread.

and this...is sort of on topic...since it evolved from a party running for election .

Hutterites would be an example of a communal society, though not completely communist.

I would not say capitalist though, as most of the money raised is done so for the community...not for an individual.

An aboriginal tribe would be communist/communal as well. Their leaders are generally "groomed" for leadership, and most people within the community have their duties.

"All Things Election"...communists running in election...hutterites live communal lifestyle...we are on topic.

Deank wrote:first.... its ELI-MAY damn it...
Second..yes dion is just the kim campbell.. oops..man did we mess up..hmm.. well who can we get to be the sacrificial lamb???( and it will be the U of W president who ends up being the next PM after Harper)
Third... there is no real such thing as party loyalty any more... anyone remeber the current Premier of Quebec being a contender for the leadership of a completely different party? Or a certain woman going for the leadership of a certain party and then changing teams after an election?
People like them should be punished by the voters ( or Goth_chic... whichever )

I was under the impression that that person in Quebec you speak of, AKA Jean Charest went into provincial politics to prevent Quebec separatism from getting any worse. The only way to do this was to join the provincial liberals. The man is conservative at heart and has said so over the years.

LivingDead wrote:

Deank wrote:first.... its ELI-MAY damn it...
Second..yes dion is just the kim campbell.. oops..man did we mess up..hmm.. well who can we get to be the sacrificial lamb???( and it will be the U of W president who ends up being the next PM after Harper)
Third... there is no real such thing as party loyalty any more... anyone remeber the current Premier of Quebec being a contender for the leadership of a completely different party? Or a certain woman going for the leadership of a certain party and then changing teams after an election?
People like them should be punished by the voters ( or Goth_chic... whichever )

I was under the impression that that person in Quebec you speak of, AKA Jean Charest went into provincial politics to prevent Quebec separatism from getting any worse. The only way to do this was to join the provincial liberals. The man is conservative at heart and has said so over the years.

It's probably pretty old...but I was watching a rerun of Just for Laughs...Jon Stewart was on and made the comment (in Montreal)..."Hey...you guys ever think of separating? You might want to try it...maybe hold a vote or something?"

With the elections coming up I think it's funnier...though if he made the same comment today, he might get booed off a stage in Montreal ).

I still find it strange that 1 party elected in only one province can form the opposition in this country of ours , or at least be in the House of No Commonsense . This is what is wrong with the system We spend to much time kissing one provinces ass . This over the years has cost plenty and has caused many other problems including Western Alienation from the east. it is time they sign or find out what this country doe;s for them by leaving if they dare I really don't believe they will leave they have to much to lose .

So tell me. How is Layton's taxing companies that pollute any different than cap and trade or taxshift? The company will just pass on the added expense to the consumer. This is guaranteed for all proposed environmental plans, be it greenshift or cap & trade, or even The NDP's plan.

Do these people obviously think that Canadians are idiots, although a lot are.

Fox News is getting back at us.
They are bashing Stephen Harper and his "Harpernomics" with their pre-video ads on Yahoo. Very dull indeed...
I thought they were more intelligent...

Considering it is there election year with all the news there I'd think they had more then enough to cover like how there banking industry in it s greed has single handily taken down the countries finances .
Well okay a little boy playing in the sandbox didn't help if only Mommy and Daddy hadn't bought him that toy called Presidencey .

FOX news intelligent? Hah ha... It is amazing how their press can attack our media for sticking their noses in American politics. Imagine the uproar if our media commentators acted like many of the FOX and CNN yahoo's and their denigrating comments on Canada and her politics..

Without FOX, all the news would be taken from a very left-wing POV in my opinion. CNN is becoming nothing more than a Obama fan club.

Meanwhile back in Canada.... $9.2 Billion surplus this year. Not much wrong with that. What was the USA surplus again?

If they reconsider NAFTA, then there'll be alot of guys going around with a hole in their shoe.

" It is amazing how their press can attack our media for sticking their noses in American politics."

And yet when any american journalist anywhere on the planet is even sneezed at... an armed invasion ensues...