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We don't need no stinkin' development in Winnipeg...

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Goth_chic


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grumpy old man wrote:Nah, he was stating a fact. What was it about the 50's and 60's that we were able to afford new roads and community clubs and schools. But not today? Look at all the angst when someone mentions we need a new school? Or we can't afford our community centres.

I don't get that either. My Dad was telling me how his family among others helped to build the Broadway Community Centre..his Mom did fundraising and the whole community was involved. I don't see that kind of community involvement anymore. People tend to keep to themselves, I know I am somewhat guilty of it. I am better now but before having kids I had no desire to get to now my neighbours.

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Not following J2F. Population of Winnipeg in 1950 was what? 250k? Pretty sure they earned a lot less in those days too.

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Goth_chic wrote:
grumpy old man wrote:Nah, he was stating a fact. What was it about the 50's and 60's that we were able to afford new roads and community clubs and schools. But not today? Look at all the angst when someone mentions we need a new school? Or we can't afford our community centres.

I don't get that either. My Dad was telling me how his family among others helped to build the Broadway Community Centre..his Mom did fundraising and the whole community was involved. I don't see that kind of community involvement anymore. People tend to keep to themselves, I know I am somewhat guilty of it. I am better now but before having kids I had no desire to get to now my neighbours.

You can't blame the "public" entirely.

Because of all the new laws, regulations, codes, unions...all of these have attributed to creating an environment which discourages community involvement.

There was a time when, if you wanted a house built...four or five friends would get together and build it. Try doing that today...even if you own the property and have the permits required. You still have to deal with inspectors, taxes, codes which deter it all. You'd also have a neighbour complaining that you're making too much noise, or that you're building something they don't want to see.

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JTF wrote:Ten times the number of roads & sewers; three times the number of schools; twice as many community centers...etc. but about the same number of people paying for it all.???

For what it's worth, there may be sprawl issues in Winnipeg, but they are no where near as bad as in places like Calgary; be thankful Winnipeg isn't like Calgary in that regard!

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AGEsAces wrote:
Goth_chic wrote:
grumpy old man wrote:Nah, he was stating a fact. What was it about the 50's and 60's that we were able to afford new roads and community clubs and schools. But not today? Look at all the angst when someone mentions we need a new school? Or we can't afford our community centres.

I don't get that either. My Dad was telling me how his family among others helped to build the Broadway Community Centre..his Mom did fundraising and the whole community was involved. I don't see that kind of community involvement anymore. People tend to keep to themselves, I know I am somewhat guilty of it. I am better now but before having kids I had no desire to get to now my neighbours.

You can't blame the "public" entirely.

Because of all the new laws, regulations, codes, unions...all of these have attributed to creating an environment which discourages community involvement.

There was a time when, if you wanted a house built...four or five friends would get together and build it. Try doing that today...even if you own the property and have the permits required. You still have to deal with inspectors, taxes, codes which deter it all. You'd also have a neighbour complaining that you're making too much noise, or that you're building something they don't want to see.

Way too much government involvement. Micromanagement at its best!

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grumpy old man wrote:Not following J2F. Population of Winnipeg in 1950 was what? 250k?
I reckon it was almost the same as it is now.

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JTF wrote:
grumpy old man wrote:Not following J2F. Population of Winnipeg in 1950 was what? 250k?
I reckon it was almost the same as it is now.

I have never professed to being a math wiz, but 250k does not equal 700k, or does it?

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Nope. 250 isn't 700.

Who says the population of Winnipeg was 250K in 1950?

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JTF wrote:Nope. 250 isn't 700.

Who says the population of Winnipeg was 250K in 1950?

Well, I am trusting that GOM got his figure from a reliable source; he wouldn't go around making stuff up, IMO.

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I know where he got the number from....thin air.

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I remember a while ago I did a thing on the population growth of Winnipeg...you'd be amazed at how slow we've been groing.

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JTF wrote:I know where he got the number from....thin air.

Well, if he did, he was damn close:

http://winnipegtimemachine.blogspot.com/2007/02/winnipeg-floodway.html

According to this, Winnipeg's population in 1950 was approximately 250,000; well, slightly over.



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Winnipeg population 2006 633415
Winnipeg population 1971 535100

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Oh good Lord; I see rozencrentz is online. Now I await some cockeyed, crazy remark from him.

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Metropolitan Winnipeg population in 1951: 357,000.

http://www.new.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1416203996

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Someone with good vision could tally up the numbers in this 1946 map.....


http://www.flickr.com/photos/manitobamaps/3130274649/sizes/l/

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JTF wrote:I know where he got the number from....thin air.
WTF? Why not simply ask before making such an asinine comment?

Yet you feel free to suggest numbers about roads and schools and community clubs. No ignorant comment was made when challenging you. Sometimes J2F you can be an ass.

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Okay, i Added up the numbers (after finding the larger res map): 1946 = 296,829

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We don't need no stinkin' development in Winnipeg... - Page 3 Popcha10

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JTF wrote:I remember a while ago I did a thing on the population growth of Winnipeg...you'd be amazed at how slow we've been groing.
How about posting your *thing*?



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1950's and 1960's was immigrant boom and baby boom. Now it's just crime boom...

http://www.new.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1416203996

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Electrician wrote:1950's and 1960's was immigrant boom and baby boom. Now it's just crime boom...

Absolutely correct. Canadian cities are really experiencing increases in crime.

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oh not us.. not canada.
our crime is being kept in check by the youth justice act

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I already told you that here, drug dealers used 5 year old kids to push their drugs. Well now they went back to doing it themselves in downtown squares, mainly because the young kids couldn't count the money...
Crime is a global problem, but I guess, everyone thought it wouldn't have affected Canada as it has the rest of the world.
There are many factors involved. One major problem in youths today is the lack of responsability, respect, and common sense.
You also had a better perspective in life, as the more you worked, the more you earned, and the better you lived. Now, you can work your *ss off, and gain very little more... No wonder many peeps have fallen behind or are falling behind. There's no incentive to go out and do your best.

http://www.new.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1416203996

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Electrician wrote:I already told you that here, drug dealers used 5 year old kids to push their drugs. Well now they went back to doing it themselves in downtown squares, mainly because the young kids couldn't count the money...
Crime is a global problem, but I guess, everyone thought it wouldn't have affected Canada as it has the rest of the world.
There are many factors involved. One major problem in youths today is the lack of responsability, respect, and common sense.
You also had a better perspective in life, as the more you worked, the more you earned, and the better you lived. Now, you can work your *ss off, and gain very little more... No wonder many peeps have fallen behind or are falling behind. There's no incentive to go out and do your best.

so just to be clear you are placing the downfall of society squarely on the shoulders of workers unions?

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EdWin wrote:
Electrician wrote:1950's and 1960's was immigrant boom and baby boom. Now it's just crime boom...

Absolutely correct. Canadian cities are really experiencing increases in crime.

Especially Calgary....already a few murders in 2009! They've beaten Winnipeg.

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