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Who should be Canada's next Governor-General?

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GGF


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Some of what is in Post #144

The government can lose a vote if it is not of confidence, so what the hell is this supposed to mean. The government is obligated to resign if they lose a confidence vote, as it is deemed that they no longer have the confidence of the people to govern the country. How can you live in this country and not understand how the system works? How can you shoot your mouth off on things that you don't understand?

Those that spew crap like this above are the only ones that do not know what they are talking about...

This is what is a matter of "Fact" here in Canada instead:

A "governing" Federal Government that loses a "Confidence Vote" in the House of Commons/Parliament has no "CHOICE" but to go to the Governor General and ask the Governor General "to dissolve Parliament" as a result of the House of Commons/Parliament no longer having the "Confidence in the governing party" to continue governing in the House of Commons/Parliament and or the confidence to govern her majesties subjects...the people of Canada...

Translation...We all end up having to go to the polls...because her majesty's representative which is the Governor General here in Canada will grant her subjects requests and dissolve Parliament...Period...

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I wonder what Ralph Klein is doing nowadays? Wink

GGF

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JTF you wrote:

I wonder what Ralph Klein is doing nowadays? Wink

Didn't he become a consultant or something for the "Tar Sands?"...One way or the other the greenies would love him as GG...Wink, wink...

Freeman

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GGF wrote:Some of what is in Post #144

The government can lose a vote if it is not of confidence, so what the hell is this supposed to mean. The government is obligated to resign if they lose a confidence vote, as it is deemed that they no longer have the confidence of the people to govern the country. How can you live in this country and not understand how the system works? How can you shoot your mouth off on things that you don't understand?

Those that spew crap like this above are the only ones that do not know what they are talking about...

This is what is a matter of "Fact" here in Canada instead:

A "governing" Federal Government that loses a "Confidence Vote" in the House of Commons/Parliament has no "CHOICE" but to go to the Governor General and ask the Governor General "to dissolve Parliament" as a result of the House of Commons/Parliament no longer having the "Confidence in the governing party" to continue governing in the House of Commons/Parliament and or the confidence to govern her majesties subjects...the people of Canada...

Translation...We all end up having to go to the polls...because her majesty's representative which is the Governor General here in Canada will grant her subjects requests and dissolve Parliament...Period...

Isn't that what I said? There are motions which the government can lose (check that out Ages) which are not confidence motions.

In any event, no vote of the House is required for the appointment of the GG.

C'mon GGF, just admit that you're wrong, thats all I ask.

Freeman

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However, if the governing party loses confidence and is forced to resign, the GG can ask the opposition if they feel they can form government (coalition). So, an election is not necessarily the end result.

Miz point

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Freeman wrote:
GGF wrote:Some of what is in Post #144

The government can lose a vote if it is not of confidence, so what the hell is this supposed to mean. The government is obligated to resign if they lose a confidence vote, as it is deemed that they no longer have the confidence of the people to govern the country. How can you live in this country and not understand how the system works? How can you shoot your mouth off on things that you don't understand?

Those that spew crap like this above are the only ones that do not know what they are talking about...

This is what is a matter of "Fact" here in Canada instead:

A "governing" Federal Government that loses a "Confidence Vote" in the House of Commons/Parliament has no "CHOICE" but to go to the Governor General and ask the Governor General "to dissolve Parliament" as a result of the House of Commons/Parliament no longer having the "Confidence in the governing party" to continue governing in the House of Commons/Parliament and or the confidence to govern her majesties subjects...the people of Canada...

Translation...We all end up having to go to the polls...because her majesty's representative which is the Governor General here in Canada will grant her subjects requests and dissolve Parliament...Period...

Isn't that what I said? There are motions which the government can lose (check that out Ages) which are not confidence motions.

In any event, no vote of the House is required for the appointment of the GG.

C'mon GGF, just admit that you're wrong, thats all I ask.

Admittance of erroneous statements will most likely NEVER happen...... Who should be Canada's next Governor-General? - Page 7 Icon_mad

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GGF

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For those that truthfully believe this...

In any event, no vote of the House is required for the appointment of the GG.

Then I really don't care any more...Just wait and see what happens in the next six months...and then we will reopen the debate again...

grumpy old man

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GGF wrote:For those that truthfully believe this...

In any event, no vote of the House is required for the appointment of the GG.

Then I really don't care any more...Just wait and see what happens in the next six months...and then we will reopen the debate again...
We have SEVEN pages of you "caring". Now you don't care anymore? Then why do you bother debating the subject at all?

Several different people have pointed out errors in your theories on this topic and your only response is to say "Those that spew crap like this above are the only ones that do not know what they are talking about..." and that "you don't care anymore".

Spin this any way you choose.

Deank

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Freeman wrote:
GGF wrote:Some of what is in Post #144

The government can lose a vote if it is not of confidence, so what the hell is this supposed to mean. The government is obligated to resign if they lose a confidence vote, as it is deemed that they no longer have the confidence of the people to govern the country. How can you live in this country and not understand how the system works? How can you shoot your mouth off on things that you don't understand?

Those that spew crap like this above are the only ones that do not know what they are talking about...

This is what is a matter of "Fact" here in Canada instead:

A "governing" Federal Government that loses a "Confidence Vote" in the House of Commons/Parliament has no "CHOICE" but to go to the Governor General and ask the Governor General "to dissolve Parliament" as a result of the House of Commons/Parliament no longer having the "Confidence in the governing party" to continue governing in the House of Commons/Parliament and or the confidence to govern her majesties subjects...the people of Canada...

Translation...We all end up having to go to the polls...because her majesty's representative which is the Governor General here in Canada will grant her subjects requests and dissolve Parliament...Period...

Isn't that what I said? There are motions which the government can lose (check that out Ages) which are not confidence motions.

In any event, no vote of the House is required for the appointment of the GG.

C'mon GGF, just admit that you're wrong, thats all I ask.

I bolded the most important part of that statement

Deank

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how about this... I dont feel like wiating 6 months.

here is the link to the house of commons Hansard for 2005. The year our current GG was appointed. Can you find the debate for me? There does not appear to be a search function on the site so you would have to open up each day.
http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HouseChamberBusiness/chambersittings.aspx?Key=1995&View=H&Language=E&Mode=1&Parl=35&Ses=1

Miz point

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debate

If a certain person chooses to read the above link in its entirity and engage in the attendant cross-referencing then he may learn something of great value today. This exercise should, well for the average person anyway, take up a good portion of his day.

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AGEsAces

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apparently, without the GG...there would be no Grey Cup

H. Bloy: This weekend all of Canada will focus on Vancouver for the 93rd Grey Cup. While this game crowns the Canadian Football League champion, it is, more importantly, an opportunity for all Canadians to celebrate our proud culture through this unique event. Donated by our country's fourth Governor General, Lord Albert Grey, and surviving the test of time, it has been held every year since 1909, except for a hiatus during both world wars.



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AGEsAces

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Without interruption since the beginning of European settlement in Canada, a governor or governor general has been at the head of the country as the resident representative of the CROWN. Although the modern office is usually regarded as descended from the British institution, the present governor general, the Rt Hon Michaëlle JEAN, is the sixty-fourth successor to Champlain, who became governor in 1627, and she is the twenty-seventh since Lord MONCK was sworn in at CONFEDERATION on 1 July 1867. Jeanne SAUVÉ, the sixtieth governor general, was the first woman to be appointed to the office, and Adrienne CLARKSON, the sixty-third governor general, was the first person without a military background and the first non-white Canadian to be appointed to the vice-regal position.

The office has developed with Canada's evolution from colony to nation. At first, governors general represented imperial governments and were responsible to various colonial ministers. After Confederation they were empowered to govern according to the wishes of the Canadian PRIME MINISTER in all internal issues, but until WWI they were still obliged to acknowledge British policy in EXTERNAL RELATIONS. After the STATUTE OF WESTMINSTER of 1931, they became the SOVEREIGN's personal representatives. Finally, on 1 Oct 1947, George VI formally delegated to the governor general all the sovereign's authority in Canada. In 1952 Vincent MASSEY became the first Canadian since Pierre DE VAUDREUIL to be appointed governor general. Afterwards, a tradition of alternating anglophone and francophone governors general has emerged.

In Canada, as in many constitutional monarchies, there is a clear division between the office of the head of state and that of the head of government. The latter is occupied by the prime minister, an elected political leader. The former is held by the governor general who, like the sovereign, stands above politics. Appointed by the sovereign on the prime minister's recommendation, the governor general usually holds office for at least 5 years. Whereas the prime minister speaks for the political majority, the governor general represents the whole country.

On taking office (at a ceremony usually held in the Senate Chamber), a governor general is accorded the title "Right Honourable" for life and "His Excellency" or "Her Excellency" for the period in office. Two official residences are provided: RIDEAU HALL, which forms part of a 36 ha estate on the Ottawa R, and the Governor's Wing at the QUÉBEC CITADEL. The governor general's personal standard flies wherever he or she is in residence and takes precedence over all other flags in Canada except the monarch's. It is dark blue with, at the centre, the gold Canadian crest: a crowned lion carrying a red, stylized maple leaf in its right paw. Upon taking the vice-regal position, the governor general designs his or her own heraldic symbol (see HERALDRY). This allows the governor general to make both a personal statement of values and a statement about what he or she wishes to accomplish as vice regal. For instance, the heraldic symbol of Canada's current governor general, Haitian-born Jean, contains a shell and broken chains to symbolize her ancestors' escape from slavery. It is flanked by two Simbis (water spirits) from Haitian culture, feminine figures that symbolize the vital role women have played in advancing social justice. Its motto, "Breaking down solitudes" (Briser les solitudes), underlies the objectives Jean hopes to accomplish during her tenure.

Heraldic authority is a significant honour bestowed on select Canadians by the governor general. Until heraldry was patriated to Canada in 1988, Canadians who wished to acquire heraldic symbols from the Crown were required to apply to the queen's offices in the United Kingdom. On 4 June, Governor General Sauvé authorized the creation of the Canadian Heraldic Authority, a Canadian-based organization responsible for the creation of coats of arms, flags and badges for Canadian citizens and corporate bodies, and for maintaining an international standard when bestowing heraldic symbols. Canada was the first COMMONWEALTH country to patriate heraldic authority.

Parliament has 3 elements of which the governor general plays a significant role in one: the SENATE, the HOUSE OF COMMONS and the queen. As the queen's representative, the governor general summons, prorogues and dissolves Parliament, authorizes treaties, receives and sends ambassadors, commissions officers in the armed forces and gives royal assent to bills that have passed both the House of Commons and the Senate, thereby giving them the force of law. By constitutional convention, the governor general exercises these prerogatives only in accordance with ministerial advice. But by the same conventions, he or she retains special personal authority in times of emergency or in exceptional circumstances; in such cases, he or she may appoint or dismiss a prime minister and may dissolve Parliament. On at least 2 occasions since Confederation (1891, 1893) governors general (Lords STANLEY and ABERDEEN) had to designate a prime minister, but they have never had to dismiss one. At least once (1926) a governor general (Viscount BYNG) refused a prime minister's advice to dissolve Parliament (see KING-BYNG AFFAIR).

The governor general also holds the constitutional rights of the head of state: "the right to be consulted, the right to encourage, the right to warn." These are usually exercised by the receipt of Cabinet minutes and through regular visits from the prime minister and government officials. The governor general is the executive power of the governor-in-council, receiving advice from the Canadian PRIVY COUNCIL (the most important part of which is the CABINET) and signing ORDERS-IN-COUNCIL.

The governor general is designated by law as commander in chief of the Armed Forces, is charged with swearing in Cabinet ministers and commissioning high officials of state. He or she is chancellor of the Order of Canada and the Order of Military Merit, and is responsible for the administration of the whole Canadian system of HONOURS. The governor general is official host to visiting heads of state and can represent Canada abroad.

Extensive hospitality and travel within Canada make the governor general more familiar with the country, the people and the issues than most others can be. The office of governor general is also charged with symbolizing national community and continuity. It is a subtle presence above divisions and differences, affirming acceptance of inherited loyalties and permanent ideals.

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Jondo

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All of you are guilty of giving the useless position of GG more ink than it deserves in 5 years. 7 pages worth of undue attention. I now know more than ever cared to know about it. I've been waiting on Harper to kill that Royal echelon as well as the Senate. Wake me up when it happens. And don't rule it out. Can't you feel it in the air - the confidence? He and Toew's got vocal real quick on Jama and now James. FINALLY - they sense that WE"VE risen. Too many dummies thinking it was they asleep at the switch. They needed for the slow tide to turn and now it has. Look for big changes this year and next. The opposition will be reduced to nothing.

grumpy old man

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Jondo wrote:All of you are guilty of giving the useless position of GG more ink than it deserves in 5 years. 7 pages worth of undue attention. I now know more than ever cared to know about it. I've been waiting on Harper to kill that Royal echelon as well as the Senate. Wake me up when it happens. And don't rule it out. Can't you feel it in the air - the confidence? He and Toew's got vocal real quick on Jama and now James. FINALLY - they sense that WE"VE risen. Too many dummies thinking it was they asleep at the switch. They needed for the slow tide to turn and now it has. Look for big changes this year and next. The opposition will be reduced to nothing.

From the second post... https://kwdc.forumotion.com/politics-f16/who-should-be-canada-s-next-governor-general-t4942.htm#98541

AGEsAces

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Jondo...I haven't heard anyone yet supporting the GG here.

Mostly it's been discussion of the fact that there WILL be another GG, so who should it be...

and a bunch of arguments about how the GG is selected.

I'm afraid though...despite the changes you proposed...that it is almost impossible for the GG position to be dissolved. It's not something the PM has the ability to do. In fact, quite the opposite...as the GG has the power to take the PM out of power.

Unless a UNANIMOUS decision can be made to remove the GG, that position will remain...useless or not.

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Jondo

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Ace that is funny isn't it? The PM appoints our local Queen and he can't get rid of her - but she can oppose him? This role-playing nonsense is too expensive in every useless way. Believe me - Harper would like to kill it but it's down his list a bit at present. Was just saying that although I get the point (as grumpy reminded on) but that hasn't been the case. It's been page after page of the minutia surrounding the general point/question. But carry on if it interests you. Cheers.

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GGF wrote:For those that truthfully believe this...

In any event, no vote of the House is required for the appointment of the GG.

Then I really don't care any more...Just wait and see what happens in the next six months...and then we will reopen the debate again...

Actually, everyone should believe this, as it is fact.

To echo what GOM said, why insist ad nauseum that a vote is required, then just dop it? Because thats easier than admitting to bullshitting.

It goes a long way to determining the credibility of what someone says, or posts.

Miz point

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I sincerely hope he is reading that link regarding the many levels of debate, fact etc.....

http://www.granhotelflores.blogspot.com

Freeman

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Why would he be mislead by facts?

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Contrary to how some perceive me I am ever the optimist.....I have had to be.

http://www.granhotelflores.blogspot.com

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Freeman wrote:
GGF wrote:For those that truthfully believe this...

In any event, no vote of the House is required for the appointment of the GG.

Then I really don't care any more...Just wait and see what happens in the next six months...and then we will reopen the debate again...

Actually, everyone should believe this, as it is fact.

To echo what GOM said, why insist ad nauseum that a vote is required, then just dop it? Because thats easier than admitting to bullshitting.

It goes a long way to determining the credibility of what someone says, or posts.

ahh I get it!... What GGF MIGHT be referring to is that the possibility exists for OTHER members of the house and senate to nominate someone else for GG. If that does happen THEN a secret ballot voting for the choices takes place.

1) historically this has never happened because no one wants to start a chain of events whereby in the chance they are ever elected they want to know they wont have "revenge" nominations against them.

2) IF it did happen its not a confidence motion.

Freeman

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Deank wrote:
Freeman wrote:
GGF wrote:For those that truthfully believe this...

In any event, no vote of the House is required for the appointment of the GG.

Then I really don't care any more...Just wait and see what happens in the next six months...and then we will reopen the debate again...

Actually, everyone should believe this, as it is fact.

To echo what GOM said, why insist ad nauseum that a vote is required, then just dop it? Because thats easier than admitting to bullshitting.

It goes a long way to determining the credibility of what someone says, or posts.

ahh I get it!... What GGF MIGHT be referring to is that the possibility exists for OTHER members of the house and senate to nominate someone else for GG. If that does happen THEN a secret ballot voting for the choices takes place.

1) historically this has never happened because no one wants to start a chain of events whereby in the chance they are ever elected they want to know they wont have "revenge" nominations against them.

2) IF it did happen its not a confidence motion.

Right, and then they can have a vote to make sure that pigs can fly.

I'm quite sure that any motion raised to "nominate" someone as GG would be ruled out of order, as it is beyond the authority of the House.
But as said, it would probably not constitue a confidence motion.

Deank

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Freeman wrote:
Deank wrote:
Freeman wrote:
GGF wrote:For those that truthfully believe this...

In any event, no vote of the House is required for the appointment of the GG.

Then I really don't care any more...Just wait and see what happens in the next six months...and then we will reopen the debate again...

Actually, everyone should believe this, as it is fact.

To echo what GOM said, why insist ad nauseum that a vote is required, then just dop it? Because thats easier than admitting to bullshitting.

It goes a long way to determining the credibility of what someone says, or posts.

ahh I get it!... What GGF MIGHT be referring to is that the possibility exists for OTHER members of the house and senate to nominate someone else for GG. If that does happen THEN a secret ballot voting for the choices takes place.

1) historically this has never happened because no one wants to start a chain of events whereby in the chance they are ever elected they want to know they wont have "revenge" nominations against them.

2) IF it did happen its not a confidence motion.

Right, and then they can have a vote to make sure that pigs can fly.

I'm quite sure that any motion raised to "nominate" someone as GG would be ruled out of order, as it is beyond the authority of the House.
But as said, it would probably not constitue a confidence motion.
no no.. its definately a 100% available option. but comes with all sorts of caveats and such that IF it were ever attempted to be used, it would almost for sure fail the proper rules governing it and in the end results in just someone being nominated, not actually elected.

GGF

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Miz Point you wrote:

I sincerely hope he is reading that link regarding the many levels of debate, fact etc....

Somewhere in your link you will find the following...

The major goal of the study of debate as a method or art is to develop one's ability to play from either position with equal ease. To inexperienced debaters, some propositions appear easier to defend or to destroy; to experienced debaters, any proposition can be defended or destroyed after the same amount of preparation time, usually quite short. Lawyers argue forcefully on behalf of their client, even if the facts appear against them. However one large misconception about debate is that it is all about strong beliefs; it is not.

And on that note Don Cherry would make a great next GG...

So Don you win my vote as GG hands down buddy...that is until someone can come up with a better potential GG than you Don Cherry...

Freeman

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Just for the record, how many pages wasted on this thread because of the pointless ramblings of GGF?

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