NHL Rumours... The NHL is returning to Winnipeg

djh wrote:i dont need to do research. i listened to every single jets game on cjob. i remember the number 11 thousand being said routinely. and yes i rarely went to games because i was poor.

Ahhhh, well that proves it then. Sorry to have challenged ya...

djh wrote:i dont need to do research. i listened to every single jets game on cjob. i remember the number 11 thousand being said routinely. and yes i rarely went to games because i was poor.

So then your case scenario is supposed to be representative of the entire population of Winnipeg? Some how I don't buy into that. Call me crazy, but.........................

djh wrote:i dont need to do research. i listened to every single jets game on cjob. i remember the number 11 thousand being said routinely. and yes i rarely went to games because i was poor.

Well, of course if you remember it, it must be true.

Actually Jets NHL average attendance was between 12,400 and 13,600 with the exception of the last year where avg. attendance was 11,300.

Tix were cheap for nosebleed seats. I was a highschool student working part time and I had no problem digging up the $9 for nosebleed seats.

St Norberter wrote:Tix were cheap for nosebleed seats. I was a highschool student working part time and I had no problem digging up the $9 for nosebleed seats.

.....I wasn't old enough to have a job....to be able to buy tickets to see a actual NHL team when we actually had one........

Deank wrote:

wouldn;t the people you are falling on break your fall and you would not be hurt?

Until they crowd-surf you off the balcony!

rosencrentz wrote:i figured out the possible ticket prices at around $83 per ticket. That will make it a profitable club, because we know that Winnipeg is loaded with big spenders, and because Sam Katz is working on a plan to buy tickets for those on social assisstance to partake in the celebrations! lol
Winnipeg "c heapscape", Manitoba "cheapscape" POLITICIANS , blew this opportunity years ago. The provincial Conservatives were a little too Conservative, in not purchasing for $50 million dollars the franchise, and letting the club operate on the ticket revenues.

Why should any government buy a PRIVATE franchise with money they received from the TAXPAYERS to subsidize a bunch of MILLIONAIRES?
How much subsidy does Manitoba receive from the rest of the provinces every year?
And how long has it been happening?
And do we see any point in the future where Manitoba will not need this subsidy?
The lineups for health care are bad enough as it is.
God help us if we are stupid enough to subsidize a NHL franchise too.

Go ahead and call me a troll.
I don't care.

Outsider wrote:How much subsidy does Manitoba receive from the rest of the provinces every year?
And how long has it been happening?
And do we see any point in the future where Manitoba will not need this subsidy?

A different topic obviously...but according to the budget announcements yesterday...there's a pretty good chance there won't be any more subsidy coming...or it will at least be significantly reduced.

So guys, Whats the new team called?

The Winnipeg nothings?
The Winnipeg Havenots?
The Winnipeg Zeros?

Gotta love them rumors that creep up on us ever few months.

Outsider wrote:

rosencrentz wrote:i figured out the possible ticket prices at around $83 per ticket. That will make it a profitable club, because we know that Winnipeg is loaded with big spenders, and because Sam Katz is working on a plan to buy tickets for those on social assisstance to partake in the celebrations! lol
Winnipeg "c heapscape", Manitoba "cheapscape" POLITICIANS , blew this opportunity years ago. The provincial Conservatives were a little too Conservative, in not purchasing for $50 million dollars the franchise, and letting the club operate on the ticket revenues.

Why should any government buy a PRIVATE franchise with money they received from the TAXPAYERS to subsidize a bunch of MILLIONAIRES?
How much subsidy does Manitoba receive from the rest of the provinces every year?
And how long has it been happening?
And do we see any point in the future where Manitoba will not need this subsidy?
The lineups for health care are bad enough as it is.
God help us if we are stupid enough to subsidize a NHL franchise too.

Go ahead and call me a troll.
I don't care.

Not going to call you a troll, but I am going to ask you about this "subsidy" you are talking about. How does it fit into an NHL team in Winnipeg? If governments are not having to contribute to the purchase of a team or funding it year after year this time around, then where is this "subsidy" you so passionately speak of? Are you referring to people who CHOOSE to attend games and pay for tickets, food, beverages and merchandise? Is this the "subsidizing" you are talking about? In other words, are you critiquing the FREE MARKET?

I would rather have my tax dollars going to sport rather then welfare...but hey that's just me.

EdWin wrote:

Outsider wrote:

rosencrentz wrote:i figured out the possible ticket prices at around $83 per ticket. That will make it a profitable club, because we know that Winnipeg is loaded with big spenders, and because Sam Katz is working on a plan to buy tickets for those on social assisstance to partake in the celebrations! lol
Winnipeg "c heapscape", Manitoba "cheapscape" POLITICIANS , blew this opportunity years ago. The provincial Conservatives were a little too Conservative, in not purchasing for $50 million dollars the franchise, and letting the club operate on the ticket revenues.

Why should any government buy a PRIVATE franchise with money they received from the TAXPAYERS to subsidize a bunch of MILLIONAIRES?
How much subsidy does Manitoba receive from the rest of the provinces every year?
And how long has it been happening?
And do we see any point in the future where Manitoba will not need this subsidy?
The lineups for health care are bad enough as it is.
God help us if we are stupid enough to subsidize a NHL franchise too.

Go ahead and call me a troll.
I don't care.

Not going to call you a troll, but I am going to ask you about this "subsidy" you are talking about. How does it fit into an NHL team in Winnipeg? If governments are not having to contribute to the purchase of a team or funding it year after year this time around, then where is this "subsidy" you so passionately speak of? Are you referring to people who CHOOSE to attend games and pay for tickets, food, beverages and merchandise? Is this the "subsidizing" you are talking about? In other words, are you critiquing the FREE MARKET?

No, I was commenting about Rosen saying the Conservatives being too Conservative and not buying the team for $50 million before the team moved to Phoenix.

Goth_chic wrote:I would rather have my tax dollars going to sport rather then welfare...but hey that's just me.

So would I as long as we are talking about amateur sport.

But we are stuck with welfare as long as the political parties don't have the guts to cut these people off and send them to school to get some training.
Instead the government would rather import people from other countries to do the work and let the lazy people sit home on their butts.

speaking of rumours.... at least this NHL rumour has more credibility then the rumour that Asper will ever build a new stadium.

Deank wrote:speaking of rumours.... at least this NHL rumour has more credibility then the rumour that Asper will ever build a new stadium.

Speaking of Aspers, Izzy is rolling in his grave, guess his kids bit off more than they could chew.

LivingDead wrote:

Deank wrote:speaking of rumours.... at least this NHL rumour has more credibility then the rumour that Asper will ever build a new stadium.

Speaking of Aspers, Izzy is rolling in his grave, guess his kids bit off more than they could chew.

....will that guy ever get any rest?

to be fair... the latest one stepped down because he was part of one of the competing bids for the company and supposedly this would make the bid process more open and transparent.

makes sens to do that. hopefully what ever happens the comapny stays here

Let's not derail this thread with the Aspers, please. There are plenty of threads to discuss their finances.

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I just received word of this less than 2 hours ago from people directly connected to the players in this incredible situation.

Now here is the catch-it's not written in stone. I know what I wrote in
the title and below certainly proclaims a move. I believe it is almost
assured and immanent from what I have been told but it's not official.
It is not an official release from some one to me. It is a report from
a very close person to the principals who has heard this is in place
and ready to happen. The source told me over 90% as their stance of
this move happening. If you knew who I was talking to you'd be writing
it like I am...


If the old adage of 'where there is smoke there is fire' is true then
in no situation has there been more smoke than in Winnipeg. Ever since
a local radio station and programming director mentioned that the
Thrashers were coming to Winnipeg the city has been abuzz. In the last
few days the dailies have picked it up and even made mock articles
about what prospective co-owner Mark Chipman didn't say at press
conferences- all to infer that something might be up.

Well here it is: the scoop. The one that matters and the one you heard
first. The Coyotes are coming not the Thrashers and yes, Mr. David
Thomson is involved. The team will be moving to Winnipeg for next
season and the thank god. At least this team has a fighting chance
versus the previous rumoured option of Atlanta.

The deal is almost in place and there are a few details to be worked out but this is what I know.

First, there is a season ticket provision which Winnipeg will have to
meet I don't know the numbers but there is a condition that will have
to be met so for Winnipeg folks, get your wallets out.

Second, ownership is part of the True North Umbrella- this is not
outside ownership using the Winnipeg location as a loss reducing
location- this is full integration into the existing corporate
structure of the arena and holdings.

Third, the team will not be called the Jets. Apparently there is a
desire (from who I am not sure) that a new fresh start be made with a
new name, brand and identity, any guesses?

Now, this is what I do not know but am trying to find out.

I do not know what arrangement has been made with the city of Glendale
but I dare say David Thomson probably has enough money to make them
happy. Regardless I don't have those key details and will be excited to
learn. I have not heard what the details are with current MTS Centre
tenant the Manitoba Moose, rumour has it they are going to Saskatoon
and the Saskatoon Blades are going to Estavan SK.

There is no current plans for major realignment but it may make sense
to take out Phoenix, oops Winnipeg, and add Vancouver to the Pacific
division. However there could be other scenarios where great rivalries
such as Vancouver and Calgary are not jeopardized, such as moving
Colorado to the Pacific and adding Winnipeg to the NW much like it was
15 years ago. This could be fun to think about for awhile.

Regardless of what you think about Winnipeg and it's likelihood of
survival as a NHL city, this move should be embraced for all the
positives and not looked at as potentially negative. There is no doubt
that David Thomson can pay the bills but more importantly it's what it
costs to get the team and I imagine it's pretty darn cheap and less
debt means the team has a better chance to be profitable. More
importantly the city or Winnipeg is a hockey hotbed with nowhere near
the ice capacity needed for players. No that does not sell tickets but
it speaks of demand for the sport itself and that is something
non-existant in Phoenix. Forget the major economic equations and
concepts right now, but I have no doubt that even in the darkest days
the franchise could have it will never be as bad as what has happened
in Glendale.

With the highly aggressive moves made by the Coyotes at the trade
deadline it makes me wonder if there is more going on there than we
realize, at least operationally. Certainly other owners could not be
happy to see a team they are funding being so aggressive with players
and salaries, now and in the future, which they would be partially
supporting from their own revenues. Could it be that the teams know the
Coyotes are on the move and this is the last of the long term pain
before they move to a dramatically reduced funding level next year and
beyond?

All of these questions, with answers or not, simply lead to more- have
enough owners tired of being welfare providers? Was there a coup within
the BOG? What has the City of Glendale done that has allowed them to
change their position? What else is going on with troubled franchises
that we do not know?
Was the court battle this past year with Jim Balsillie, the NHL and
Jerry Moyes to assure David Thomson the asset he wanted or is this move
totally unrelated?

Did David Thomson wake up one morning and decide he finally wanted to
be a NHL team owner? I doubt it. I know without a shred of doubt that
friend and business partner Mark Chipman has worked with the NHL to
position Winnipeg and his group as an obvious ownership candidate and
location. It seems that his patience and tact have paid off as Mark
Chipman with David Thomson have done something many thought would never
happen again, they have brought the NHL back to Winnipeg!

It looks like all the Gary Bettman sightings in Winnipeg weren't so
crazy after all. Mind you if you're not already calling me crazy you
will if this doesn't happen, and probably a few more things I'd rather
you not say

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Peter...ipeg/119/26818

Hmm, maybe this link will work better?

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Peter-Tessier/They-are-coming-home--The-Coyotes-ARE-returning-to-Winnipeg/119/26818

There definitely seems to be something going on. I sure hope so!

That was a fun read...

Interesting comment on this thread. Top post on page 4:

I don't often jump in to these, but I figure I'll pass along a little
info fairly close to the situation (take it for what it's worth). My
best friend and I and a group of buddies make a trip or two down to
Glendale each year to see the Coyotes play. His wife is best friends of
one of the Coyotes, so we get tickets and access to some pretty cool
stuff. We love the trip and love the weather, and as far as we're
concerned (becuase we're only visitors) the rink is in an awesome
location. Tons of restaurants, bars, shops and the Cardinals stadium as
well . We don't want them to go anywhere.

Anyways, he called me the other day after his wife got off the phone
with the Coyote players wife. She said it's a done deal...back to
Winnipeg for next season. Apparently players and their families are
being given the 'heads up' so they can make arrangements for house
sales, school registration etc.

I honestly can't believe it will happen either, but this source is about as inside as they get....we'll see.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/boards/thread.php?thread_id=74985&page=4

Here's other one. (To proof anyone can start a rumor)
My friend is a teacher in Glendale, one of her students, has a father that plays for the Coyotes. The mother was asking about transferring her son to Canada starting the next school year. (She didn't know where in Canada).

I will believe it when it happens.

EdWin wrote:Let's not derail this thread with the Aspers, please. There are plenty of threads to discuss their finances.

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First, there is a season ticket provision which Winnipeg will have to
meet I don't know the numbers but there is a condition that will have
to be met so for Winnipeg folks, get your wallets out.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Peter...ipeg/119/26818

There is the rub.
Are there enough people in Winnipeg who will pony up for 15,000 tickets at an average price of about $75 bucks for each of 40 games.
IE: about $3,000 for each season ticket PLUS agency fee.
If I was the new owner I would want the whole amount in CASH, UP FRONT.