Biggest Problem Facing Winnipeg

Why was "too many Commie Bastards" not an option? Get rid of themn and a lot of our problems are solved. We could actually attract business. Think about what it says if it is more attractive for a business to locate in Saskatchewan rather than Manitoba.

Freeman wrote:Think about what it says if it is more attractive for a business to locate in Saskatchewan rather than Manitoba.

And that seems to be the case at the moment.

The payroll tax is business biggest complaint .

Its not just the payroll tax, its the whole unfriendly to business environment. And it will stay that way as long as the Nippers keep pandering to their union friends to keep them in power.

And the constant welfare friendly attitude towards the choice of their own poor .

Workfare. Worth it?

Regarding that sofa construction, can you send me details, and I will send it over to my research and development staff?

Let me know if your research department needs any comfort /sleep testers.

What a picture! JTF and Rosencrentz testing sofas together? Any room for G.O.M. as well? maybe on a King Size sofa?

Coin toss for the remote?

Saturday night about 12:30, #3 son was complaining about extreme abdominal pain, the kind that double you over. He's a very healthy individual and had done nothing out of the ordinary that evening, except he had a soccer game earlier. Nothing seemed to ease the pain so we took to Emergency at 7 Oaks. Anyway, because of the pain, he got in quite quickly. They took blood work to check for infection, which might indicate appendicitis, gall bladder, etc, but as it turned out, it was probably just a combination of a touch of the flu and some greasy stuff he ate after his game. (They went for a beer, of course, but he couldn't even finish it.) We didn't get out until about 3:30.

So the whole time we were there, there we 2 cop cars tying up 4 cops as one brought in some guy who was having breathing trouble after being arrested, and another needed some mending after being found by the police dog after running from police. Therein itself is the problem. During that time 4 ambulances showed up with a variety of cases. As we were leaving a drunk staggered in needing stitiches to his face. Talk about a misuse of police resources and tying up the health care system.
We spend so much money and time of the few in society who don't want to be part of it. I'm sure that some will start bleating that we need more programs and we have to be more caring, after all, it takes a village to raise a child. NO IT DOESN'T, IT TAKES 2 LOVING, SANE, CARING PARENTS. Time to face reality in that we have accepted government as the great patriarch who is there to solve all of our ills. Time to stop the handouts, suck it up and start making everyone accountable for themselves. Jeez, I'm getting irritated at it all.

OMG I was visiting a relative at the seven oaks hospital and this one dudes son who smelled of booze came in with a stomach ache because of eating something greasy and he had a cold. This 'father' who obviously wasn't working at the time comes in with him and starts giving everyone some weird evil eye because he must be delusional.

The thing about is he didn't even train the doctor that looked after his son! He doesn't pay his yearly wages.

The thing about is he obviously doesn't want to be part of the society we live in and just wants to stew in his own juices with people exactly like him in some white picket fence house.

Ahh well... he seems to have more or less accepted government as the great patriarch who is there to solve all of our ills. But geez.. him and his son should really suck it up and be held accountable for obviously wasting the ER resources...

Hey, death, what did the cops charge you with?

death128 wrote:OMG I was visiting a relative at the seven oaks hospital and this one dudes son who smelled of booze came in with a stomach ache because of eating something greasy and he had a cold. This 'father' who obviously wasn't working at the time comes in with him and starts giving everyone some weird evil eye because he must be delusional.

The thing about is he didn't even train the doctor that looked after his son! He doesn't pay his yearly wages.

The thing about is he obviously doesn't want to be part of the society we live in and just wants to stew in his own juices with people exactly like him in some white picket fence house.

Ahh well... he seems to have more or less accepted government as the great patriarch who is there to solve all of our ills. But geez.. him and his son should really suck it up and be held accountable for obviously wasting the ER resources...

I'm not sure I get the sarcasm contained in this post. death128, can you be more specific as to what your point is?

There was a point to that??

EdWin wrote:

Freeman wrote:Think about what it says if it is more attractive for a business to locate in Saskatchewan rather than Manitoba.

And that seems to be the case at the moment.

How would we make winnipeg more attractive, then? A lot of people say we should give them tax breaks. Then people complain that taxes are too high for the rest of us -- big business gets all the breaks. Then people say we should cut back on some of our social programs, while people then complain about there being no beds in the hospitals for truly sick people.
Its a catch-22...damned if you do, damned if you don't. I suppose that's the nature of politics though -- dealing effectively with the needs of a diverse multicultural group. It still seems like it sucks.
What did Aleister Crowley say?
"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law." and f*ck everybody else.
(last bit added by yours truly)

Triniman wrote:Workfare. Worth it?

I support a system that allows people with mental and physical disabilities to be funded by the state. It ain't my fault that im sick (being sick for the last 10 years, let me tell you, if there weren't any government funding for me, i would never have been able to survive it). In this case, its a "good thing".
Now... do support another individuals wish to sit on his couch and watch tv all day? Why not. I don't think work should be mandatory in a society. If i don't want to work all day, i should still be able to survive in a modest amount of comfort. Im not going to get as rich as somebody who does work all day, but who cares. Provide enough for my family and i to survive ("enough" not "more than enough") and i should be allowed to be glued to that couch all day long if i want.
I guess what im arguing for is a society that supports a persons wishes rather than the needs of the city. A society is a diverse group -- there will always be people that want to work to get ahead. There will always be people that would rather be on their couch.
who's to say which life should be supported and which life shouldn't.
crowely's "do what that will" statement comes back to us here.

I don't think MY tax dollars should go to support someone who decides they do not want to work. Starve then! If you want to be glued all day to that couch then I hope you are independently wealthy. I have no problem supporting those who are physically or mentally disabled but I do have a problem with those who are fine and just don't want to work. I work, pay my taxes and take care of my family.....everyone who is able bodied should do the same. I am all for abolishing welfare!!!!

Hear, hear, GC. There is just no way that anyone can justify that it is acceptable for the rest of us to support someone who just doesn't want to get off their ass. To use the old argument, what is all of us took the same attitude?

Freeman wrote:Hear, hear, GC. There is just no way that anyone can justify that it is acceptable for the rest of us to support someone who just doesn't want to get off their ass. To use the old argument, what is all of us took the same attitude?

why tho? Why would it even be unfair... your tax dollars would allow you to sit on your ass all day long too -- if you want. just like "health care".. if im not sick, i don't want to pay for somebody else being sick. Paying taxes gives us the luxury of supporting the life of all -- even if all means i don't wanna work.

I'm tired of my insurance payments going towards someone elses glasses and surgeries? I'm tired of my volunteer hours going to help others?

egomaniac wrote:

Freeman wrote:Hear, hear, GC. There is just no way that anyone can justify that it is acceptable for the rest of us to support someone who just doesn't want to get off their ass. To use the old argument, what is all of us took the same attitude?

why tho? Why would it even be unfair... your tax dollars would allow you to sit on your ass all day long too -- if you want. just like "health care".. if im not sick, i don't want to pay for somebody else being sick. Paying taxes gives us the luxury of supporting the life of all -- even if all means i don't wanna work.

So, if we all sat on our asses, who would be paying the taxes so we could all sit on our asses?

death128 wrote:I'm tired of my insurance payments going towards someone elses glasses and surgeries? I'm tired of my volunteer hours going to help others?

Then just don't buy the insurance or volunteer the hours, you have a choice, you know.

egomaniac wrote:

Triniman wrote:Workfare. Worth it?

I support a system that allows people with mental and physical disabilities to be funded by the state. It ain't my fault that im sick (being sick for the last 10 years, let me tell you, if there weren't any government funding for me, i would never have been able to survive it). In this case, its a "good thing".
Now... do support another individuals wish to sit on his couch and watch tv all day? Why not. I don't think work should be mandatory in a society. If i don't want to work all day, i should still be able to survive in a modest amount of comfort. Im not going to get as rich as somebody who does work all day, but who cares. Provide enough for my family and i to survive ("enough" not "more than enough") and i should be allowed to be glued to that couch all day long if i want.
I guess what im arguing for is a society that supports a persons wishes rather than the needs of the city. A society is a diverse group -- there will always be people that want to work to get ahead. There will always be people that would rather be on their couch.
who's to say which life should be supported and which life shouldn't.
crowely's "do what that will" statement comes back to us here.

Oh I am so angry right now....and I have twenty years of good reasons to be so.....christ.

Freeman wrote:

egomaniac wrote:

Freeman wrote:Hear, hear, GC. There is just no way that anyone can justify that it is acceptable for the rest of us to support someone who just doesn't want to get off their ass. To use the old argument, what is all of us took the same attitude?

why tho? Why would it even be unfair... your tax dollars would allow you to sit on your ass all day long too -- if you want. just like "health care".. if im not sick, i don't want to pay for somebody else being sick. Paying taxes gives us the luxury of supporting the life of all -- even if all means i don't wanna work.

So, if we all sat on our asses, who would be paying the taxes so we could all sit on our asses?

That wouldn't happen now, would it? It's human nature. Some are just lazy assholes. Some are just assholes. And some are assholes that keep down other assholes. You can't really differentiate between them all.

It's a dog eat dog world and if there wasn't welfare we'd see a lot MORE violence.

I think you mentioned something about there being only enough supplies for so many people or something to that affect. So... it's even built into our social structure.

Of course, everyone knows someone will b1tch and complain about it but w/e. The truth is you'll be living a much better life than them and without as many hassles.