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It's a disease.

Yes. Alcoholism is a chronic, often progressive disease with symptoms
that include a strong need to drink despite negative consequences, such
as serious job or health problems. Like many other diseases, it has a
generally predictable course, has recognized symptoms, and is
influenced by both genetic and environmental factors that are being
increasingly well defined.

Definition


By Mayo Clinic staff Alcoholism is a chronic disease that makes your body dependent on
alcohol. You may be obsessed with alcohol and unable to control how
much you drink, even though your drinking is causing serious problems
with your relationships, health, work and finances.
It's possible to have a problem with alcohol, but not display all the
characteristics of alcoholism. This is known as "alcohol abuse," which
means you engage in excessive drinking that causes health or social
problems, but you aren't dependent on alcohol and haven't fully lost
control over the use of alcohol.
Although many people assume otherwise, alcoholism is a treatable
disease. Medications, counseling and self-help groups are among the
therapies that can provide ongoing support to help you recover from
alcoholism.

Alcoholism causes disease, it in itself is not a disease. It's a frickin CHOICE.......Want the magical cure to the evil disease of alcoholism, DON'T DRINK!

Why is smoking not a disease? Why is heroin addiction not a disease?

Bartron wrote:Why is smoking not a disease? Why is heroin addiction not a disease?

Smoking is a bad habit. I use to smoke and had no problem quitting and did it cold turkey. Alcoholism requires way more assistance then quitting smoking, I know this first hand as both parents were/are alcoholics. Heroin or cocaine addiction I would consider that to be a disease as well. When an alcoholic (chronic alcoholic) tries to quit cold turkey they can go into the dt's and die. They need medical help/intervention in order to quit. When an alcoholic attempts cold turkey that is called "white knuckle sobriety", it doesn't last as the body needs the alcohol.

Tell me Bartron, have you experienced alcoholism first hand?

Bartron wrote:Alcoholism causes disease, it in itself is not a disease. It's a frickin CHOICE.......Want the magical cure to the evil disease of alcoholism, DON'T DRINK!

LMAO...mmm okay. Just don't drink. Do you honestly believe an alcoholic starts off being an alcoholic? It's progressive, it starts off with just having a few on the weekend...then it becomes a stress reliever so let's have a few after work....then it becomes a way of life.

I do have first hand experience with alcoholics. Over the past 4 years or so I've seen my mother go from someone who drinks rarely to someone who drinks hard liquor daily, and not just a few drinks. She willingly puts this poison into her body.

I would consider a disease to be something like Cancer,HIV, and other obvious diseases. Willingly ingesting poison on a daily basis is a disease?

LMAO...mmm okay. Just don't drink. Do you honestly believe an alcoholic starts off being an alcoholic? It's progressive, it starts off with just having a few on the weekend...then it becomes a stress reliever so let's have a few after work....then it becomes a way of life."

What does it matter how a person became an alcoholic? A person starts to drink more and more often all the while knowing that it's addicting and low and behold they eventually become addicted. That's a disease? I would call that idiocy. And now the moron who got them self addicted now has an excuse " It's not my fault I have a disease." I'm sorry but I just don't buy it.

It's not personal goth, it's just the way I feel and have had this debate with many people.

Alcoholism has killed 2 people I love and it is killing a third right now as I type this. I drink beer, I don't get drunk but I will have a few beers at a social gathering. I don't touch hard liquor and rarely drink wine anymore. The alcoholism in my family has turned me off booze, even though I am not an addictive personality. I would rather have a sober person lighting up a smoke in my yard then a drunk becoming loud and belligerent. I would rather have my kids see a sober person smoking then a drunk reaching for another drink. I grew up with both smoking and alcohol and smoking did less damage then the booze did.

I know it's not personal Bartron, I am just passionate about this topic....I have seen firsthand what it does to a family.

Is there anything better guaranteer of a good time than booze, for most people? I say No. That's why booze is the most essential element of our lives, outside of food.

Triniman wrote:Is there anything better guaranteer of a good time than booze, for most people? I say No. That's why booze is the most essential element of our lives, outside of food.

I agree. I have no problem with having a few drinks. Big difference between having a few and getting plastered. I've been drunk, who hasn't? I am talking more about alcoholism, and not being able to stop at 1 or 2....drinking the whole bottle till you are hammered. That is a problem IMO.

So back to the original issue about the new ads on the smoking in cars with kids. I have been a non smoker now for about 8 years and now know the possible damage I may have caused my children growing up. I used to smoke in the house and in the vehicle when they were with me. Not only did I expose myself to extremely harmful toxins but I also exposed them to the same harmful toxins. They unwillingly had to inhale where I willingly did the same. I have to live with this guilt for the balance of my life. I think the ads should be on more often, that it shouldn't just be a mom and small child but it should show all age ranges and how it affects everyone.

As for the smoking in public places outdoors if it is at a place that children are allowed to be at (the zoo, outdoor patios at restaurants, etc) there should be no smoking. As well I was under the impression that because the zoo is operated by the City of Winnipeg it is considered a non smoking facility the same as all other city facilities. If the patio &/or facility is adults only such as a bar or licenced lounge where children are not to be then I feel it is at the discretion of the facility ownership to allow or not allow smoking. Personally I will not go to an outdoor patio that allows smoking as I physically become ill when I smell smoke and I find it rude that when people are trying to enjoy their meal to have smoke being blown in the face (directly or indirectly). I also make no bones about covering my face when I am forced to go through a crowd of people smoking at an entrance way to a public building.

My feelings on the alcoholism is personal as well. I grew up with an alcoholic mother and grandfather. Subconsciously I made the choice to not drink as I don't like how it affects me and I have seen way to much ugliness in my time because of alcohol. But again it is a choice that we all make to become addicted/dependant to alcohol and cigarettes. Yes it may be harder and more medically complicated to become sober but quitting smoking can be just as complicated and long serving in that your body has to cleanse the toxins to become clean. While a sober person is always considered an addict, a non smoker is as well an addict and relapses happen all the time for both.

The one difference that can be made is while a child may not be physically harmed by an alcoholic parent/family member, that same child is harmed significantly by a smoking parent.
Again these are my personal views and I respect the views that Goth and Barton and others have expressed as their experiences are very different as are mine.

I smoked at one time. I haven't smoked around my kids, in the car or in the house. If we are all outside in the yard and a friend who smokes drops by I don't care if they smoke. I will NEVER allow smoking in my home or in my car. I have friends who still smoke in their homes and cars (they have kids). They don't seem to think it's an issue, I do. I have friends who smoke pot around their kids...they seem to think that's okay. I don't.

I'm allergic to cigarette smoke, gives me headaches.
Smoking pot around kids... As far as I know, there's no harm in pot smoking. Hell, when Jr. wants to light up, you can introduce him to your dealer.

I see harm in doing illegal drugs around children. May as well start snoring some lines while you're at it. Nothing wrong with that! I have no problem if someone likes to smoke pot, just don't do it around kids. Wait till they are in bed or go for a walk and do it.

The only time I feel that smoking pot in front of your kids is ok is for medicinal purpose and the pot is a prescribe drug for pain relief as in the case of some MS survivors or cancer patients. If it is for "recreational" purposes and you are doing it in front of your kids you are basically saying it's ok to break the law. What kind of a role model sets that kind of an example to their kids? Might be a stupid question to ask but until the government makes all pot smoking legal, smoking pot in front of your kids is setting a back example.

Medicinal is one thing, I have no problem with that. I do have a problem with smoking pot as recreation around kids. It sends the wrong message. I have friends who do that and I think it's wrong....they seem to think it's fine and have said they will smoke pot with the kids when they get older. YIKES!

Everyone drinks before the legal age. It sends a message to kids that it is okay to break the law. How is that any different from smoking pot?
Is there anyone here who does NOT want their kids drinking illegally or getting the message that it is okay to do so?

Triniman, the big difference is that smoking pot for recreation, regardless of age, is illegal. Underage drinking is also illegal but I know as a parent that yes my kids drank before they were 18 and they also paid the consequences of what being a dumb ass drunk was like when "ralph" came to visit. But we did not encourage it nor did we engage in it with them. Both my husband and I drink on a very minimal basis, a very frosty beer on a very hot day after doing yard work or after a round of golf one of us may have a drink while the other takes the onus of driving. My kids did not have those types of bad examples (falling down drunk, puking in the toilet) around them on a regular basis if at all because both of us knew we had responsibilities to these same kids in the morning when we woke to be alert and cognizant of their needs first and foremost before ours. Neither of us are saints in any way but we tried our very best to raise our 3 kids to be responsible, active people who know what is right from wrong and I think we did a pretty good job.

Its actually legal for kids to drink. Just has to be under the correct circumstances.

It use to be legal to serve a child in a restaurant if they were with the parent/guardian. Those rules have changed. At one time it was legal to take a child into a lounge, again those rules have changed.

rules still exist actually

from the act

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Minor in cocktail lounge or cabaret
93(1) No person under the age of 18 years shall enter or remain in a cocktail lounge or cabaret unless accompanied by his or her parent, spouse, common-law partner or guardian who is at least 18 years of age and no such person shall consume liquor therein unless it is purchased or provided by his or her parent, spouse, common-law partner or guardian and it is consumed with a meal in their presence. "

http://web2.gov.mb.ca/laws/statutes/ccsm/l160e.php

section 93 of the act.

anyone else find it absolutely hilarious that someone can be married under 18 but can not consume liquor unless their spouse buys it for them?

ah yes and here is the part where you can drink at home..

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Exception
121(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to the giving or supplying of liquor or a controlled beverage

(a) for medicinal purposes, by the parent or guardian of that person, or by a physician or dentist, or on prescription;

(b) by the parent, guardian, spouse or common-law partner of that person, if it is given or supplied to the person in a residence. "

awesome never knew about that medicinal purposes one...



My kid was too sad so I decided to medically make him happy...

Deank wrote:Subsection (1) does not apply to the giving or supplying of liquor or a controlled beverage

(a) for medicinal purposes, by the parent or guardian of that person, or by a physician or dentist, or on prescription;

I think this one goes back to what I mentioned before, about giving a kid whiskey for treatment or pain killers.

I remember when I was a kid, my uncle pulled my tooth and gave me a small cup of whiskey (shot glass now that I think of it), and told me to keep dabbing my finger in it and putting the whiskey in the "hole". It helped the pain, and helped keep it clean for a few hours.

yeah my gedo apparently was medicated with opium when he was a baby/young kid

times change