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Smoking and Driving in Cars With Children Ads!

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rosencrentz

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What a waste of money to run those ads, right?
Well yesterday I saw a lady driving a van , smoking with a child in the backseat, but she was exhaling through her front window that was down 2" so the air conditioning wouldn't be wasted.
What a stupid woman! What should I have done? Smashed into her?
I would probably be called racist, as she was aboriginal!
Or called sexist cause she was a female!



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Deank

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my mother in law is a freakin moron. She thinks that driving with the window down for 10 seconds some how makes it okay.

I told my ten year olds that he would not be staying with grandma any time until she stops smokiing and that obviously grandma love cigarettes more then him since she wont he even stop long enough to go for a ride with him.

This made him cry.. alot... it hurt me to see him cry like this, but I told to ask his grandma why she loves smoking so much in the hopes this would make her think twice and maybe be around long enough so that she can be become a great grandma.

It is really doubtful that she cares enough to stop. or even slow down.

frick OFF YOU fricking SMOKERS!!!!

why do you need to hurt those you love so much????

eastsider

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I'm a smoker, but never nowhere near or around my kid, she doesn't need to see Dad's bad habit.

rosencrentz

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My wife is virtually a chain smoker, but when our daughter and grandchildren show up, takes her smolking habit outside. It is very simple- clean air .
I would like to rent a grandchild for "our" house! Anyone wanr to start a new business with me??

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love&hate

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I didn't even like being around people who smoked when I was pregnant, I would walk away, I wouldn't go to people's houses who I knew smoked, if I was with someone who smoked in their car I would tell them I did not want them to smoke while I was in the car. My friends and family know my rules for my daughter, no smoking around her at all.

Which brings me to a question, I was at the zoo yesterday (for father's day) and tons of parents were smoking around their kids, even around mine! Do you think smoking should be allowed at the zoo???

rosencrentz

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Yes, but inside the tiger and lion and bear enclosures!

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grumpy old man

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An ex-smoker I am somewhat on the fence when it comes to smoking outdoors. That said I hate walking through the smoke screens outside office tower doors. At the zoo one is outdoors but if captive around an exhibit it would offend.

We should ban smoking altogether...

Deank

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"We should ban smoking altogether..."

either that or stop taxing them through the nose. Its ridiculous to have a government telling us.. its bad its bad its bad.. dont do it!.. well unless you are willing to pay us that is, then its fine to do.

rosencrentz

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You cannot successfully ban anything! Smoking is addictive! Smoking is very expensive. That cost has driven down the us by kids, I believe. Adults have to be left to their vices.
Anyone know where I can buy cheap, no tax , aboriginal , biker, stolen, cigarettes. lol

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Goth_chic

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Deank wrote:my mother in law is a freakin moron. She thinks that driving with the window down for 10 seconds some how makes it okay.

I told my ten year olds that he would not be staying with grandma any time until she stops smokiing and that obviously grandma love cigarettes more then him since she wont he even stop long enough to go for a ride with him.

This made him cry.. alot... it hurt me to see him cry like this, but I told to ask his grandma why she loves smoking so much in the hopes this would make her think twice and maybe be around long enough so that she can be become a great grandma.

It is really doubtful that she cares enough to stop. or even slow down.

frick OFF YOU fricking SMOKERS!!!!

why do you need to hurt those you love so much????

Growing up with parents who smoked and parents who drank heavily...smoking is the lesser of the two evils. Alcoholism does way more harm to a child then smoking does. I am speaking from experience here.

Deank

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I was sick almost every day going to school. I would feel better at school and then sick again by time it was bed time.

There was alcoholism involved as well growing up. But not much of "mean" alcoholism. So in my case the smoking did more harm.

Goth_chic

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Alcoholism is harmful whether or not the alcoholic is a "nice" drunk or a "mean" one. Alcoholism destroys families and can causes co-dependency.

Parental alcoholism also has severe effects on normal children of alcoholics. Many of these children have common symptoms such as low self-esteem, loneliness, guilt, feelings of helplessness, fears of abandonment, and chronic depression. Children of alcoholics may feel responsible for the problems of the alcoholic and may think they created the problem.

Smoking sucks but if someone smokes outside then I have no problem with it. I do not allow smoking in my home, I don't care if it's -40. My friends and family who smoke go outside.

Deank

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If they smoke outside... thats the kicker.. as a kid you have no control over that. My parents refused to smoke outside. "Its my house, when you get your own house then you can start making the rules"

thankfully they have changed and now actually smoke outside even in their own homes. It took several years of us simply not visiting or leaving when smoking started up before it started to drive into people's heads.

You and I are obviously differing in what it means to be an alcoholic and what a nice and a mean drunk are.

Goth_chic

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An alcoholic is someone who needs alcohol, someone who will get that alcohol at any cost. I grew up with it and still am dealing with it. I am constantly worried about my Dad, it stresses me out. I worry about his health. Alcoholics don't eat properly which can cause so many different vitamin deficiencies, alcohol abuse also cause memory loss, liver problems....it ain't pretty. Maybe our definitions of alcoholics are different. IMO, an alcoholic isn't someone who has a few beers on a Friday night, it's someone who drinks themselves into a drunken coma every other night. To me it really doesn't make a difference whether or not they are nice ro mean when intoxicated, it's still a nasty debilitating disease and effects ALL of those involved.

Alcoholism also runs in families, I am careful about that because I know I could easily fall victim to that nasty disease.

Deank

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some alcoholics dont eat properly. Others over indulge because they have eating disorders too. Alcoholism can not be painted with the same colour of paint everywhere that it touches.

Goth_chic

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It's still a disease Dean, doesn't matter what brush you paint it with. Smoking is an addiction, I know more people who have successfully quit smoking then I do know who successfully quit drinking. A friend of mine is an addictions counselor, she and I have discussed this topic many times. I don't know one single person who has grown up in an alcoholic family who says it was great, no problems.

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"then I do know who successfully quit drinking"

thats because more resources are put into smoking cessation and there is more of a stigma attached to smoking.

BUT regardless of that fact. When a smoker smokes and I am near them I am forced to inhale that smoke as well. When someone drinks I may or may not be impacted by them.

Goth_chic

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When you walk outside you are forced to inhale all the car exhaust....

Deank

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True, and one thing that took an enormous amount of time to get used to when I first moved to the city. However, I dont usually bend down behind cars and inhale the crap directly, which is something I am forced to do when there is smoke in my face from a cigarette.

Goth_chic

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I am not a fan of smoking but I'd rather have a smoker in my life then an alcoholic or drug addict.

AGEsAces

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Goth_chic wrote:I am not a fan of smoking but I'd rather have a smoker in my life then an alcoholic or drug addict.

I'd rather have one too...but I'd rather have an alcoholic sitting next to me at an outdoor restaurant, than some idiot smoker who can't wait another 15 minutes to light up.

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Goth_chic

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I am not a fan of smoking in outdoor restaurants. I don't care if people smoke on a pub patio or bar patio.

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Alcoholism is not a disease!!!! Arrggghh

Excessive drinking can cause physical disease and involve physical
dependence without therefore being a disease itself. The "disease
concept" of alcoholism is not needed to justify medical intervention or
a caring approach to those who are dependent on alcohol. There is a
specific and a general version of the disease concept of alcoholism.
The specific disease concept, associated mainly with the Fellowship of
Alcoholics Anonymous, is contradicted by empirical evidence and
unhelpful for preventive and treatment responses to problem drinking,
especially for the effort to detect and modify problem drinking at an
early stage.

Bartron

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"The disease concept strips the substance abuser of
responsibility. A disease cannot be cured by force of will; therefore,
adding the medical label transfers the responsibility from the abuser
to caregivers. Inevitably the abusers become unwilling victims, and
just as inevitably they take on that role. In retrospect then, the
disease concept has effectively increased alcoholism and drug abuse."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1545723
http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/michael-searles/talking-sober/verdict-alcoholism-choice-not-disease

Goth_chic

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It's a disease.

Yes. Alcoholism is a chronic, often progressive disease with symptoms
that include a strong need to drink despite negative consequences, such
as serious job or health problems. Like many other diseases, it has a
generally predictable course, has recognized symptoms, and is
influenced by both genetic and environmental factors that are being
increasingly well defined.

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