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Bicycle issues in Winnipeg

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126Bicycle issues in Winnipeg - Page 6 Empty Re: Bicycle issues in Winnipeg Thu Apr 09, 2009 4:02 pm

Deank


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kill all the pedestrians?

no wait..the cyclists..

no wait.. ummm...

127Bicycle issues in Winnipeg - Page 6 Empty Re: Bicycle issues in Winnipeg Thu Apr 09, 2009 4:02 pm

Bartron

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A group hug?

128Bicycle issues in Winnipeg - Page 6 Empty Re: Bicycle issues in Winnipeg Thu Apr 09, 2009 4:04 pm

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:party 005:

129Bicycle issues in Winnipeg - Page 6 Empty Re: Bicycle issues in Winnipeg Thu Apr 09, 2009 4:04 pm

holly golightly

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grumpy old man wrote:
No matter how careful you might be pedestrians will always come in second best versus a bike.
And cyclists will always come in second best to any vehicle out there.
And that is the biggest reason I take my own personal safety into my own hands when I know that riding on the road is unsafe because of road conditions or narrow roadways.

130Bicycle issues in Winnipeg - Page 6 Empty Re: Bicycle issues in Winnipeg Thu Apr 09, 2009 4:05 pm

Deank

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and smart cars wont even finish the race with a big truck

131Bicycle issues in Winnipeg - Page 6 Empty Re: Bicycle issues in Winnipeg Thu Apr 09, 2009 4:26 pm

AGEsAces

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holly golightly wrote:
grumpy old man wrote:
No matter how careful you might be pedestrians will always come in second best versus a bike.
And cyclists will always come in second best to any vehicle out there.
And that is the biggest reason I take my own personal safety into my own hands when I know that riding on the road is unsafe because of road conditions or narrow roadways.

For actual physical damage...yes.

But this isn't about physical damage or injury...this is about providing a safe environment.

I'll admit...I'm not a full-time cyclist. I don't intend on commuting by bike every day. I might ride once or twice per week during the summer, if the weather's good. But I'm more inclined to go hop in my vehicle and drive wherever I want to go.

But when I ride, I follow the rules of the road...as should every cyclist (and driver for that matter) out there. I know they don't...we all know they don't.

When I'm driving...do I follow ALL the rules? No, probably not...I know I tend to speed a bit (not a lot...but usually a couple klicks over) When I'm riding...do I follow EVERY rule? No...I can admit that if I'm stopped at a redlight, and there's no cross-traffic...I'll head out crossing against the light.

But I do my best not to put others around me at risk. I don't ride on the sidewalk...for many reasons (besides being a law)...like that person rushing out of a store in a hurry to catch the bus...or the idiot driver who pulls across the sidewalk when stopping at a red-light...or the moron kid who's trying to get away from his mom and runs out in front of me. The things I can't control.

Riding on the road...despite the risk of damage from vehicles...is much safer. There RULES on the road. Ones the drivers of vehicles are required to follow...and should they actually hit me...ones they will learn to the full extent. The MORE cyclists ride on the roads, and show the drivers the lack of intimidation...the faster the drivers will learn how to maneuver around bicycles. But again, for each of you who think you're being safer by riding on the sidewalks...you reaffirm to those idiotic drivers their control of you. They see you there and assume you BELONG on the sidewalk...so the next cyclist they see they try to intimidate to join you.

On one day riding my bike to work last summer, I did have the idiot who said "get on the sidewalk"...who, at the next red light, I rode up and educated him as to the rules...that HE has to follow.

Ignorance is one thing...and can be tolerated in some cases...but stupidity, and blatant disregard for the established rules and standards...is unacceptable.

No...I don't advocate assault on those riding on the sidewalks. But should it happen...I have NO sympathy for the guy on the bike who just got knocked on his ass...he shouldn't have been there to begin with.

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132Bicycle issues in Winnipeg - Page 6 Empty Re: Bicycle issues in Winnipeg Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:42 pm

grumpy old man

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Drivers beware, cyclists are getting more militant...

Shotgun-wielding cyclist sought by Winnipeg police
Last Updated: Thursday, April 30, 2009 | 11:53 AM CT

CBC News


Winnipeg police are asking for the public's help to find a man who pointed a shotgun at officers earlier this week and then eluded them on a bicycle.

The incident happened about 10 p.m. Tuesday in the city's north end, when patrolling officers noticed a man riding a bicycle in the area of McGregor Street and Selkirk Avenue while holding the gun.

The officers made a U-turn and stopped, at which time the man threw down his bicycle and pointed the weapon directly at them while also yelling at them, the police service said in a news release issued Thursday.

The officers exited their cruiser car and used it to take cover as they demanded the man drop the gun. The man then got back on the bicycle and rode a few blocks to the area of McGregor Street and Flora Avenue, the news release said.

The officers drove after the man who pointed the firearm and yelled once again. While the officers took cover for the second time, the man fled east on Flora Avenue.

Police were not able to locate him again.

The suspect is described as being aboriginal in appearance, about 20 years old, 5-foot-9 with a slim build. He was clean-shaven and wearing a black baseball cap with a white insignia on the front, a black hoodie and black pants.

The bike was red with white lettering and front shocks.

133Bicycle issues in Winnipeg - Page 6 Empty Re: Bicycle issues in Winnipeg Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:43 pm

Deank

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hello... second time = shoot the fricker..

134Bicycle issues in Winnipeg - Page 6 Empty Re: Bicycle issues in Winnipeg Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:46 pm

grumpy old man

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I'm sure it was just a harmless screwdriver. Chiefs news conference scheduled for later...

135Bicycle issues in Winnipeg - Page 6 Empty Re: Bicycle issues in Winnipeg Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:03 pm

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my apologies for being a little late to chime in on this subject. In regards to the debate about riding on the sidewalk. I actually think it may be safer to ride on the road, on the far right side. The problem with riding on sidewalks, especially when you are on the sidewalk of a major road, is all the sidestreets the intersect your commute.

I find almost half the cars will ignore the stop sign, and drive right to the intersection, which completely blocks the cyclist from passing. I'm actually more worried aboout getting sideswiped by one of these drivers than I am cycling on some route like Portage or Notre Dame. Legal or not, I stick to the road...

136Bicycle issues in Winnipeg - Page 6 Empty Re: Bicycle issues in Winnipeg Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:06 pm

Deank

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"The problem with riding on sidewalks, especially when you are on the sidewalk of a major road, is all the sidestreets the intersect your commute."

exactly, there are some pretty dumb people and a bike is just enough faster then a person walking that it causes a problem.

137Bicycle issues in Winnipeg - Page 6 Empty Re: Bicycle issues in Winnipeg Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:10 pm

Freeman

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This is a stupid discussion. Keep your bike on the roadway where it belongs. Respect the rules of the road.

138Bicycle issues in Winnipeg - Page 6 Empty Re: Bicycle issues in Winnipeg Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:12 pm

Guest

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Bikers don't follow no stink'n rulz!!

139Bicycle issues in Winnipeg - Page 6 Empty Re: Bicycle issues in Winnipeg Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:12 pm

Deank

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nah the stupid discussion is why the government has not yet revealed the plans for hover bikes that have been fully functional and cheap to product since 1951...

140Bicycle issues in Winnipeg - Page 6 Empty Re: Bicycle issues in Winnipeg Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:25 pm

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That's the one thing I miss aboout Calgary. Their bike trail system is light years ahead of ours.

141Bicycle issues in Winnipeg - Page 6 Empty Re: Bicycle issues in Winnipeg Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:28 pm

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They just paved over their horse trails.

142Bicycle issues in Winnipeg - Page 6 Empty Re: Bicycle issues in Winnipeg Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:10 pm

AGEsAces

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HurtinAlbertan wrote:my apologies for being a little late to chime in on this subject. In regards to the debate about riding on the sidewalk. I actually think it may be safer to ride on the road, on the far right side. The problem with riding on sidewalks, especially when you are on the sidewalk of a major road, is all the sidestreets the intersect your commute.

I find almost half the cars will ignore the stop sign, and drive right to the intersection, which completely blocks the cyclist from passing. I'm actually more worried aboout getting sideswiped by one of these drivers than I am cycling on some route like Portage or Notre Dame. Legal or not, I stick to the road...

Interesting note there.
On one of the MPI "60-Second Driver" segments...they actually addressed the stop-sign issue.
The question was asked where you are required to stop:
1) Before the sidewalk (if there is one)
2) Before the stop sign
3) Before the roadway

Rather than create another useless poll, I'll just give you the answer.

According to the message, unless there is a stop line on the roadway, you are not required to stop until you reach the next road. This means pulling across the sidewalk AND past the stop sign to the roadway is technically legal...though they recommend stopping before either in case of pedestrians.

Personally...I try to stop before a sidewalk, then pull forward if no pedestrians are coming, but I'll admit that if I see a cyclist on the sidewalk...I'll pull forward and tight to the sidewalk so they have to go on the road or stop. They don't belong on the sidewalks anyway...and I really have little sympathy for stupid people.

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143Bicycle issues in Winnipeg - Page 6 Empty Re: Bicycle issues in Winnipeg Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:16 pm

grumpy old man

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I always thought you were to stop before the sidewalk no matter where the stop sign was positioned.

Personally I like to think I will always stop before a sidewalk but I don't. Mostly because there are no pedestrians there. So when I do slip up and drive by the sidewalk it is mostly me driving in robotic mode...

144Bicycle issues in Winnipeg - Page 6 Empty Re: Bicycle issues in Winnipeg Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:26 pm

AGEsAces

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I know in the audio they specifically said..."though it is not a law...this is what you should do". I was trying to find the video but found this for now:

From the MPI Website:
Stop Signs

At a stop sign, you must come to a complete stop at the appropriate places, as shown below.

Before proceeding from a stopped position, you must check for pedestrians waiting to cross the street, and yield the right-of-way.

When pedestrians are clear, you may slowly move forward for a better view of traffic and, when safe to do so, you may proceed to turn or cross the street.

A stop sign is a traffic control device telling you that you must stop for the intersection. It does not indicate where to stop.

The illustrations below explain the correct places for stopping:

Bicycle issues in Winnipeg - Page 6 Stopsign1 Stop at the stop line before a marked crosswalk.
Bicycle issues in Winnipeg - Page 6 Stopsign2 Where there is no stop line, stop
before the marked crosswalk.
Bicycle issues in Winnipeg - Page 6 Stopsign3 If there is no stop line or marked
crosswalk at the intersection, stop before the sidewalk, out of the way
of pedestrians.
Bicycle issues in Winnipeg - Page 6 Stopsign4
If there is no stop line, marked

crosswalk or sidewalk, stop and yield right-of-way.

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145Bicycle issues in Winnipeg - Page 6 Empty Re: Bicycle issues in Winnipeg Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:39 pm

grumpy old man

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So basically stop before the sidewalk.

146Bicycle issues in Winnipeg - Page 6 Empty Re: Bicycle issues in Winnipeg Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:40 pm

AGEsAces

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grumpy old man wrote:So basically stop before the sidewalk.

Good practice yes.
I still can't find the "legal" part of it though Sad

The one thing to remember...is that kids' bikes (wheels under 18") do not have to ride on the roads...so the MOST likely person you'd be hitting by not stopping before a sidewalk, would be a kid racing at high speed.

I recently had some e-mail communication with the new director of BTTF. I indicated my concern over their inaction on addressing the problem of cyclists on the sidewalks as the weather warms up.

His response was he felt the task was too daunting, and that educating enough people is unreasonable.

Apparently they are having an election for a new director of some kind...if I had the time...I'd love to go run for that position and teach them how easy it is to get the word out...and how inexpensive.



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147Bicycle issues in Winnipeg - Page 6 Empty Re: Bicycle issues in Winnipeg Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:42 pm

JT Estoban

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You are supposed to stop BEFORE the sidewalk....doing so prevents injuries to children running, riding bikes or rollerskating on the sidewalks. (And me when I ride on the sidewalk down Higgins)

While it's been more than a decade since my drivers test, I distinctly remember that one one sneaky place they would dock you marks. You always stop before the sidewalk, then proceed to the stop sign.

" If there is no stop line or marked
crosswalk at the intersection, stop before the sidewalk, out of the way
of pedestrians"

148Bicycle issues in Winnipeg - Page 6 Empty Re: Bicycle issues in Winnipeg Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:44 pm

AGEsAces

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JT Estoban wrote:You are supposed to stop BEFORE the sidewalk....doing so prevents injuries to children running, riding bikes or rollerskating on the sidewalks. (And me when I ride on the sidewalk down Higgins)

While it's been more than a decade since my drivers test, I distinctly remember that one one sneaky place they would dock you marks. You always stop before the sidewalk, then proceed to the stop sign.

" If there is no stop line or marked
crosswalk at the intersection, stop before the sidewalk, out of the way
of pedestrians"

http://www.photage.ca

149Bicycle issues in Winnipeg - Page 6 Empty Re: Bicycle issues in Winnipeg Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:38 pm

helgihg

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Airt Mattrèssor wrote:Personally, I thought the diamond lanes were an ill-advised
half-measure. Imagine, buses and bicycles sharing a dedicated
lane...

I think it's a brilliant idea!

150Bicycle issues in Winnipeg - Page 6 Empty Re: Bicycle issues in Winnipeg Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:33 pm

eastsider

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I hadn't thoroughly read this thread until just now.........I wanted to mention that I too regularly cross the Louise Bridge on my bike. I will not use the sidewalk going over the bridge as narrow as it is. I'll take my chances, abide by the law and stick to the pavement. From east Transcona to the Exchange district I can proudly say I ride sidewalk free! Thats not to say that vehicles respect me as much as I respect them, there have been more then a few close calls on my route, and not because I was breaking the law, the driver of the vehicle was! In my opinion those of us that are on both sides of the fence, cyclists and drivers both are the ones that show the greatest respect on the road!

151Bicycle issues in Winnipeg - Page 6 Empty Re: Bicycle issues in Winnipeg Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:44 pm

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I was taught to stop at the stop sign itself...in line with it.

If you stop past it, you have already failed to stop at it right? I believe that you'd fail your test if you drove past the sign.

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