New Traffic Light on Osborne and Wardlaw

Typical short-sighted city planning. Yet another set of traffic lights. I sure hope it is integrated with all the other traffic lights in that stretch. You thought getting through there today was a nightmare. Wait until every time a pedestrian wants to cross peeps will have to wait through the red-yellow-green cycle.

Some thought had better gone into this one...

I go through here every day, I understand that the cross walk it replaced had several accidents at it.
It's too bad really, I just don't understand why people can't pay attention or follow the stopping rules at cross walks, now we are stuck with this

I wonder why people will stop at a red light but not a flashing crosswalk light?

No kidding, perhaps the cross walks should be flashing reds then. What bothers me are those that take off as soon as the person has passed their car, I have seen way too many close calls as they don't look to see if anyone else is crossing

so what are the laws regarding the crosswalks?

you must wait until the person has reached the other side before proceeding.

only exception is in the case where there is a clear divider (island) between the opposing flows of traffic.

USApegger wrote:No kidding, perhaps the cross walks should be flashing reds then. What bothers me are those that take off as soon as the person has passed their car, I have seen way too many close calls as they don't look to see if anyone else is crossing

On the other hand I'm bothered by people that wait until the person is completely across the street before starting even though no one else is crosssing.

That's not safety...it's just stupid thinking....and a waste of fuel for a lot of cars.

Deank wrote:you must wait until the person has reached the other side before proceeding.

See, now I did not know that. But now I have to question why that is.

Deank wrote:you must wait until the person has reached the other side before proceeding.

only exception is in the case where there is a clear divider (island) between the opposing flows of traffic.

That's not what I've heard...

grumpy old man wrote:

Deank wrote:you must wait until the person has reached the other side before proceeding.

See, now I did not know that. But now I have to question why that is.

oh thats easy

well easy to explain if I am drawing a picture.

but basically

lets pretend you are at a 3 lane in one direction road. you are at the inside lane. there is a Large truck in the middle lane and the third lane is clear.

Person crosses in front of you, so you start to move.
Some one is coming up from the back.. sees you moving. CAN NOT SEE THE PERSON WALKING BECAUSE OF THE TRUCK and sees the truck not moving. Natural thing to do is to move to the far right lane and blow by the truck.

KILLING the person walking.


basically same reason why you are not supposed to move until they reached the other side in a smaller lane environment with no divider in the middle.

JTF wrote:

Deank wrote:you must wait until the person has reached the other side before proceeding.

only exception is in the case where there is a clear divider (island) between the opposing flows of traffic.

That's not what I've heard...

??

Here's the rules from the Highway Traffic Act

Basically, it just says you have to yield to the pedestrian, so once the pedestrian is clear, you may proceed with caution.

It also indicates it is NOT acceptable for a pedestrian to push the button and then walk out into traffic...that they must be sure the vehicles are yielding before proceeding into the roadway!!!


Pedestrian corridor, duties of driver
141(1) Subject to subsection (2), where

(a) a pedestrian is at

(i) the kerb or edge of a roadway, or

(ii) a place of safety,

that is adjacent to a pedestrian corridor that lies across a roadway upon which a vehicle is approaching so closely to the pedestrian corridor as to endanger the pedestrian if he were to enter it; and

(b) the pedestrian

(i) is intending to cross the roadway in the pedestrian corridor, and

(ii) is giving notice of his intention by extending his hand and arm at full length in such a manner to indicate clearly the direction in which he intends to cross, the driver of the vehicle shall yield the right-of-way to the pedestrian by slowing down or stopping if necessary.

When vehicle stopped at pedestrian corridor
141(2) When a vehicle is stopped at a pedestrian corridor, the driver of any other
vehicle overtaking the stopped vehicle shall bring the vehicle to a full stop before entering the pedestrian corridor, and shall yield the right-of-way to a pedestrian,

(a) who is within the pedestrian corridor upon the half of the roadway upon which the vehicle is stopped; or

(b) who is within the pedestrian corridor and is approaching that half of the roadway from the other half of the roadway so closely to the vehicle that he is in danger if the vehicle were to proceed.

Passing vehicles in vicinity of pedestrian corridor
141(3) When a vehicle is approaching a pedestrian corridor and is slowing down for
the purpose of yielding the right-of-way to a pedestrian, the driver of any other vehicle approaching from the rear shall not overtake and pass the vehicle first mentioned.

Duties of pedestrian
141(4) No pedestrian shall leave the kerb or other place of safety at a pedestrian corridor and walk or run into the path of a vehicle that is so close that it is impracticable for the driver of the vehicle to yield the right-of-way.

It's like school buses.

If they have their lights flashing, you have to stop in both directions. Unless there is a divided median ( e.g. Pembina hwy), in which case the cars on the other side of the road don't have to stop.

But of course every rush hour there are one or two drivers NB pembina who think they have to stop for the bus on SB pembina with the flashing lights.

AGEsAces wrote:Here's the rules from the Highway Traffic Act

Basically, it just says you have to yield to the pedestrian, so once the pedestrian is clear, you may proceed with caution.

That's right. You don't have to wait til the pedestrians next birthday to start going...you can again proceed when the pedestrian has cleared your lane.

JTF wrote:

AGEsAces wrote:Here's the rules from the Highway Traffic Act

Basically, it just says you have to yield to the pedestrian, so once the pedestrian is clear, you may proceed with caution.

That's right. You don't have to wait til the pedestrians next birthday to start going...you can again proceed when the pedestrian has cleared your lane.

100% not.

No, you must wait until the pedestrian is no longer in the roadway, i.e. their feet are on the other sidewalk before proceeding.

Not "the pedestrian is no longer in front of me, so I may go" that is incorrect.

Unless it's a divided highway, you must wait until the pedestrian is all the way accross. If it's a divided highway, you still have to wait until they are on the boulevard, or from the boulevard to the sidewalk on the other side before proceeding. Anything else is ILLEGAL and I would love to see cops start enforcing this.

It's on the drivers exam for f*ck sakes!

And not only that, but if you are approaching a crosswalk where there is a car stopped, you must stop as well. And if cars are slowing as they approach a crosswalk, you must slow as well.

So if granny decides she is going to slow to 20 km/h 1 block away from a crosswalk where a pedestrian is about to cross and you decide to pass her and slow and stop closer to the crosswalk, you can be ticketed.

Nope.
Show me where the Act states that you must remain stopped until the pedestrian reaches the kerb.

(It says you must stop and yeild only).

141(2) When a vehicle is stopped at a pedestrian corridor, the driver of any other
vehicle
overtaking the stopped vehicle shall bring the vehicle to a full stop
before entering the pedestrian corridor, and shall yield the
right-of-way to a pedestrian,

(a) who is within the pedestrian corridor upon the half of the roadway upon which the vehicle is stopped; or

what part of this is difficult to understand

" who is within the pedestrian corridor upon the half of the roadway upon which the vehicle is stopped; or"

Those don't tell you when you are allowed to proceed.

As soon as you move you are no longer yielding the right of way.

Crap. If they moved on, you don't have to yield any longer so the point is mute.

Nope. HTA just says you have to yield to someone in the crosswalk between the curbs. Doesn't say you have to yield until pedestrian passes your vehicle.