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1Not an attack ad: NDP Empty Not an attack ad: NDP Sun Nov 07, 2010 12:56 pm

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Not an attack ad: NDP

TV spot shows ‘contrasts’ with McFadyen

By PAUL TURENNE, Winnipeg Sun

The Manitoba NDP plans to launch a provincewide, month-long TV ad campaign Monday that includes at least one ad that goes straight for Hugh McFadyen’s jugular.

The campaign will showcase two ads: one featuring Premier Greg Selinger discussing positive aspects of the Manitoba economy, and another asking Manitobans whether they really know Tory Leader Hugh McFadyen and attacking his record.

Leslie Turnbull, co-chair of the NDP’s election planning committee, brushed off a suggestion that the McFadyen spot is an “attack ad” but didn’t shy away from its content.

“It’s a contrast ad,” she said. “There’s a difference between the PC vision (and the NDP’s) and we wanted to bring those contrasts to the attention of Manitobans.”

Mike Richards, president of the Manitoba Progressive Conservatives, said the ads are “desperate distortions” that don’t accurately represent McFadyen’s position on the issues contained in the ad.

“They’re blatant falsehoods,” Richards said. “It’s a sad commentary that after 11 years in government all they can do is fear-monger.”

Richards, who is in Brandon this weekend for the party’s annual meeting, said his party also intends to run ads “to contrast our vision for the province with the NDP record of mismanagement” but suggested “we’re going to be factual and we’re going to be accurate.”

Turnbull said the ads will run throughout the month of November and she expects them to be widely seen.

“Our goal is to ensure every Manitoban sees the ads and to that end we did a pretty significant buy,” she said.

Although the provincial election isn’t for another 11 months, Turnbull said it isn’t too early to get the party’s message into voters’ minds.

“We wanted to give people time to think about these issues,” she said. “We want to ensure Manitobans know the difference between the NDP vision for this province and the PC vision.” Richards said he doesn’t yet know when the Tories will begin running their TV spots.

2Not an attack ad: NDP Empty Re: Not an attack ad: NDP Sun Nov 07, 2010 12:56 pm

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3Not an attack ad: NDP Empty Re: Not an attack ad: NDP Sun Nov 07, 2010 12:57 pm

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My fav...
Ken

November 7th 2010, 8:33am

If the economy in Manitoba is so positive, why are they sinking us further into debt? Is there some rule somewhere that states to be a member of the NDP you have to be a complete moron?

4Not an attack ad: NDP Empty Re: Not an attack ad: NDP Sun Nov 07, 2010 2:39 pm

Triniman

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Gotta pay for crap that we don't need.

Gotta spend the transfer payments.

5Not an attack ad: NDP Empty Re: Not an attack ad: NDP Sun Nov 07, 2010 2:46 pm

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When is the Provincial Election again?
Here's to HOPING that Manitoban's wake up and boot the socialists out of office once and for all!

6Not an attack ad: NDP Empty Re: Not an attack ad: NDP Sun Nov 07, 2010 3:42 pm

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Triniman wrote:Gotta pay for crap that we don't need.
Fer sure. Like concert halls and art galleries.

7Not an attack ad: NDP Empty Re: Not an attack ad: NDP Sun Nov 07, 2010 7:03 pm

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grumpy old man wrote:
Triniman wrote:Gotta pay for crap that we don't need.
Fer sure. Like concert halls and art galleries.

It's responsible to lifecycle infrastructure that society has found to be useful, like the Bomber stadium. Not sure what concert halls or art galleries you refer to.

It's careless to create white elephant projects that we don't need. Like putting BiPole 3 down the west side. Only tax-and-spend socialists disagree with that statement.

Up for a little challenge, sport?

Try finding just one instance, from any media outlet, in which any of the organizers of this rights museum have stated why, exactly, we need it. Just one. Bet you can't find anything.

8Not an attack ad: NDP Empty Re: Not an attack ad: NDP Sun Nov 07, 2010 8:56 pm

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Wow, you sure are consistent eh sport? Very troll-like.

Why do we need any art galleries and concert halls and museums and parks sport?

Why do we need anything other than basic utilitarian structures sport? We can only be very grateful people like you were/are not responsible for building city's such as Winnipeg.

Stick to what you do best sport, trolling. Just don't bother me with it anymore...

9Not an attack ad: NDP Empty Re: Not an attack ad: NDP Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:16 pm

Triniman

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Tax-and-spend is not the answer, GOM.

Let's have discussions on how to approach unnecessary new projects and whether or not they should bump existing projects, like the multitude of repairs to the infrastructure that only go up and up in price the longer we delay them.

Shoving vanity projects down our throat is not the way to go, unless you love the socialist gulag that Manitoba has become.

The socialist redistribution of wealth should be curtailed, not expanded. Even a guy like you can see that.

Not up for my challenge? No surprise.

10Not an attack ad: NDP Empty Re: Not an attack ad: NDP Sun Nov 07, 2010 11:17 pm

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My apologies. This thread has gone off topic long enough. Let's keep it on track. To satiate the need to discuss how to approach "unnecessary new projects" I'll start a new thread.

11Not an attack ad: NDP Empty Re: Not an attack ad: NDP Mon Nov 08, 2010 12:33 am

FinanciallyConcerned

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Triniman wrote:Try finding just one instance, from any media outlet, in which any of the organizers of this rights museum have stated why, exactly, we need it. Just one. Bet you can't find anything.
From the Museums Webpage:
The Canadian Museum For Human Rights is envisioned to be a national and international destination, a centre of learning where Canadians and people from around the world can engage in discussion and commit to taking action against hate and oppression.
Want more? The Ukranian Famine, The Holocaust, The Killing Fields of Cambodia, Sabra-Shatila Refugee Camps in Lebanon...I could go on but the list unfortunately is too big!!! and thats just in the 20th century!!!

Remember the old quote..."Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." The Museum is an opportunity to LEARN and REMEMBER. It IS important and it IS needed. And why not here where there is and always has been a large ethnic community where many have been touched by these genocides!

12Not an attack ad: NDP Empty Re: Not an attack ad: NDP Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:38 am

Triniman

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Nice try, but you didn't answer the question.

Stating that something is "envisioned to be..." is not the same as saying why, exactly, it is needed.

What deficiency existed that caused this project to come to light?

Think you can Google up Gail Asper, Arni Thorsteinson or Stu Murray saying why, exactly, we need this museum? Give it a try. It's such an obvious question to ask that surely someone in the media asked it, right?

13Not an attack ad: NDP Empty Re: Not an attack ad: NDP Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:22 pm

FinanciallyConcerned

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Triniman wrote:Nice try, but you didn't answer the question.

Stating that something is "envisioned to be..." is not the same as saying why, exactly, it is needed.

What deficiency existed that caused this project to come to light?

Think you can Google up Gail Asper, Arni Thorsteinson or Stu Murray saying why, exactly, we need this museum? Give it a try. It's such an obvious question to ask that surely someone in the media asked it, right?

You are a prime example of a question waiting to be asked. I DID answer the question as to WHY it should be... you just don't accept it therefore you dismiss it and say it is not good enough. Are you always so full of yourself that no opinion other than yours counts for anything or is starting arguments a hobby of yours? Just because YOU do not agree with someone does not make that someone inconsequential. I answered WHY and envisioning something is the reason for its application. But then, open and sincere dialogue doesn't seem to be something you believe in.

You use a picture on Benjamin Netanyahu as your avatar, but you should have used Rush Limbaugh. He discounted everyone that didn't agree with him too, swaggered with his sense of perceived superiority, and then went out and bought more drugs. Might be time to contact your connection and re-medicate yourself and learn that YOU are not the only one whose opinion counts!

14Not an attack ad: NDP Empty Re: Not an attack ad: NDP Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:35 pm

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ahh see FC... but why is it needed?

you state this.
"Want more? The Ukranian Famine, The Holocaust, The Killing Fields of Cambodia, Sabra-Shatila Refugee Camps in Lebanon...I could go on but the list unfortunately is too big!!! and thats just in the 20th century!!!"

well evidently you already know about these incidents. Heck I type in genocide into the google and get 18,300,000 results in .16 seconds.
I type in Human rights abuse I get 19,300,000 results in .24 seconds

It has been clearly stated by the people running this "museum" that online hits will make up the bulk of their visits. So why do we need this building?

How will it make any difference in the world?

15Not an attack ad: NDP Empty Re: Not an attack ad: NDP Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:37 pm

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FC...I don't think you quite understand what Triniman is getting at.

This "museum" was conceived by Dead Asper as a monument to himself. He died and his kids took over the project.

16Not an attack ad: NDP Empty Re: Not an attack ad: NDP Mon Nov 08, 2010 2:57 pm

FinanciallyConcerned

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Deank wrote:ahh see FC... but why is it needed?

you state this.
"Want more? The Ukranian Famine, The Holocaust, The Killing Fields of Cambodia, Sabra-Shatila Refugee Camps in Lebanon...I could go on but the list unfortunately is too big!!! and thats just in the 20th century!!!"

well evidently you already know about these incidents. Heck I type in genocide into the google and get 18,300,000 results in .16 seconds.
I type in Human rights abuse I get 19,300,000 results in .24 seconds

It has been clearly stated by the people running this "museum" that online hits will make up the bulk of their visits. So why do we need this building?

How will it make any difference in the world?

It will be a focal point for the remembering of and education against the pitfalls of the behavior that caused these events to happen. What you are saying is that thanks to the Internet, why do we need ANY brick and mortar buildings anymore? We can see the Mona Lisa online, the Statue of David, etc. So the brick and mortar is not needed anymore. Why pay for buildings to house, store and preserve things?

These things are history, as as I quoted, those the fail to remember history....

JTF wrote:FC...I don't think you quite understand what Triniman is getting at.

This "museum" was conceived by Dead Asper as a monument to himself. He died and his kids took over the project.

Does it matter who came up with a good idea? Are you saying a memorial to these attrocities is not a viable or valuable thing to have to show and remind future generations of man's inhumanity to man, and educate them how NOT to repeat them? The museum was and is a good idea and who thought of it and who is taking up the torch for its completion is not important.

Using your line of thinking, the civil rights act in the US in the 60's was started by JFK. It was taken up by and completed by LBJ. Are you saying that it should have been left to die because JFK died?

If Duff Roblin had died before the completion of the Winnipeg Floodway, should it have been scrapped, to allow for more flooding in the city of Winnipeg for future generations?

The Human Rights Museum is not just a memorial to Izzy Asper's dream and vision, it is an important part of the history of mankind. A reminder to learn from our past and not make the same mistakes again.

A good idea does not belong to one person, its a legacy for all to enjoy and learn from. The Museum will be a legacy that YES, we are a very bad species, capable of many atrocities, but we are also able to learn from these atrocities, and hopefully never repeat them.

17Not an attack ad: NDP Empty Re: Not an attack ad: NDP Mon Nov 08, 2010 3:01 pm

Deank

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"What you are saying is that thanks to the Internet,"

No.. that is not what I am saying. That is what the people who are building this "museum" are saying.


Just what do you think this museum will actually hold as real physical items?

18Not an attack ad: NDP Empty Re: Not an attack ad: NDP Mon Nov 08, 2010 3:06 pm

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"The Human Rights Museum is not just a memorial to Izzy Asper's dream and vision, it is an important part of the history of mankind."


how exactly is it an important part of the history of mankind when all it is is a copy or mishmash of museums that exist in a far better format all over the planet already?

19Not an attack ad: NDP Empty Re: Not an attack ad: NDP Mon Nov 08, 2010 3:15 pm

FinanciallyConcerned

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Deank wrote:"how exactly is it an important part of the history of mankind when all it is is a copy or mishmash of museums that exist in a far better format all over the planet already?"

"What you are saying is that thanks to the Internet,"

No.. that is not what I am saying. That is what the people who are building this "museum" are saying.


Just what do you think this museum will actually hold as real physical items?

It will hold displays and historical information. It might hold some items from the incidents being displayed.

It will hold the record and the memories of the atrocities that has been done against groups of humans or various ethnic and religious backgrounds over the course of history. It will show what we have to avoid in the future. It will give voice to those that no longer have a voice. A voice to say "Do not Forget and Do not let this happen again!"

A better format how? Have you seen all of the other rights musems or memorials? And not all the people have access to the Internet, contrary to popular belief, so a brick and mortar building in our city will allow those here to see for themselves.

According to your logic, there is a skeleton of a T-Rex on display somewhere, so why have it anywhere else? The world only needs one museum and the rest of the people of the world can all go to that one or surf the net for a picture of it.

And then, one Zoo is all that is needed too so close all of the other ones, and one Park, because why do we need more than one? Oh.. and Aquariums! Pick one and close all the rest in the world. If you don't live in the right city, then you just don't get to see these things. Your own fault for not being born in the right city. Make better choices next time.

20Not an attack ad: NDP Empty Re: Not an attack ad: NDP Mon Nov 08, 2010 3:23 pm

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"A better format how?"

in the fact that those other museums will have artifacts. Ours is only going to have video displays.

"And not all the people have access to the Internet, contrary to popular belief, so a brick and mortar building in our city will allow those here to see for themselves."


If they dont have internet access ( free to all in any city Library) then they wont have access to this building (which will cost money)

21Not an attack ad: NDP Empty Re: Not an attack ad: NDP Mon Nov 08, 2010 3:29 pm

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@FC

Let's be very clear hear. Its not MY idea that they will be using mostly electronic media and that most of their visits will come from the internet. It is they pushers of the museum that say that.

Your idea of.. not everyone has a computer....

holy shite... well you know what..

$300 million will easily by 1 million computers. That is almost enough for every single person in Manitoba, never mind all in Winnipeg. $22 million per year would easily pay for city wide free WiFi.

Added benefit of those poor souls who can not afford a computer can get more information then the stuff "displayed" in this brick and mortar museum that few, VERY few will actually attend.

22Not an attack ad: NDP Empty Re: Not an attack ad: NDP Mon Nov 08, 2010 3:43 pm

FinanciallyConcerned

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Ok.. getting off my soapbox on this one. Beating a dead horse unfortunately.

You don't want the museum and thats fine, but this city is about all the people, and I am will to be that the museum will have better attendance than youa re thinking.

Sorry... Old School warrior here. I think the museum is a good idea, and I support it. Unfortunately, I am in the minority(if not the ONLY ONE) here that seems to think that way. Dropping the whole thing. It will be built regardless of our thoughts and opinions and time will tell if it is relavent. Smile

23Not an attack ad: NDP Empty Re: Not an attack ad: NDP Mon Nov 08, 2010 3:51 pm

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I think you could apply the "why is it needed" to nearly EVERY musuem and you'd be hard pressed to get an answer that would satisfy you.

It's a neat looking construct that will add some uniqueness to the skyline, so I'll try to appreciate it on that alone.

I think the museum was built with some shenanigans, but we're too far in to waste energy on it now. Better to focus that time and effort making sure the Aspers don't burn us again with this frickin' stadium...

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24Not an attack ad: NDP Empty Re: Not an attack ad: NDP Mon Nov 08, 2010 3:51 pm

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its fun to be beat dead horses tho... get back up there and argue back or I will have nothing to do but argue with myself.

25Not an attack ad: NDP Empty Re: Not an attack ad: NDP Mon Nov 08, 2010 3:54 pm

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"time will tell if it is relavent"

but that has been the biggest problem with the white elephant.

People just keep saying wait and see, wait and see.... and here we are... 1 year later from when they still had 45 million in fund-raising to go and they are still 45 million short.

We cant afford to wait and see. We never could afford to wait and see. This project should have been stopped in its tracks day1. your right... we cant stop it now.

That does not mean we should stop being responsible and complaining. the moment we are quiet for long enough. BAM! we take on teh $45 million shortfall. Just wait and see Smile

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