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proposed Youth For Christ $9-million youth centre

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Goth_chic
AGEsAces
Bartron
toban71
holly golightly
Jondo
sputnik
grumpy old man
rosencrentz
Miz point
JT Estoban
Freeman
Deank
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Do you support the Youth For Christ $9M youth centre?

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This facility will only get this grant once no.

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grumpy old man wrote:I think for the most part the parishioners pay to build their own facilities. Novel concept eh? They do have a tax exemption though.
Of course they do, as a church. Your contibutions, to a point, are tax exempt, and not taxable at the other end.

I keep telling you....there's big money in the church business.

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Pavolo wrote:This facility will only get this grant once no.

That's all they need....as they will only build once.

rosencrentz

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Isn't this a good enough idea to stand alone and move forward?

http://www.elansofas.com

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Well, just what is "the idea"?

Help kids?

Save souls?

Recruit new donators?

Create jobs?

Fill a vacant lot?

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Better they come to god then the Hells Angles

Freeman

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Pavolo wrote:Better they come to god then the Hells Angles

Hells Angles, are those the guys who terrorize the geometry community, or do you mean the outlaw biker gang, Hells Angels. proposed Youth For Christ $9-million youth centre - Page 4 Icon_smile

toban71

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Too many naysayers in this city. I see nothing but good coming out of this project, especially for at risk youth.

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Yes got by me while I was watching the game and the bank shot off the side of the rink proposed Youth For Christ $9-million youth centre - Page 4 Lol

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toban71 wrote:Too many naysayers in this city. I see nothing but good coming out of this project, especially for at risk youth.

Again. You are missing the point to the disagreement.

That's what I love about some....how easy it is to switch pages and obfuscate the issues.

rosencrentz

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The question to be asked is what is the Cost/Benefit for the at risk youth, in becomming Christian converts, as opposed to Muslim, Gang, Drug dealers on the street etc, etc.
Why does this have to be a faith based project as opposed to an Anoriginal project because 80% of the peeople on the streets are Aboriginal? Why haven't the Aboriginals been given a priority? They have that beautiful building just across the street? They have probably 6 people who would like to help out!
MizP and MrP live close by, and she is a hell of a Chef and I bet you she could boil up some moose meat ?and MrP could increse his great picture gallery as the building progresses!
Aboriginals don't need the added burden of "Jesus"!

http://www.elansofas.com

grumpy old man

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JTF wrote:
toban71 wrote:Too many naysayers in this city. I see nothing but good coming out of this project, especially for at risk youth.

Again. You are missing the point to the disagreement.

That's what I love about some....how easy it is to switch pages and obfuscate the issues.
Again? That was toban71's first post. (BTW welcome to the sandbox!)

But do humour me, because I agree 100% with toban71.

How easy is it to switch pages and obfuscate the issues. More to the point just what does you mean switch pages and obfuscate the issues?

Bartron

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I don't support the luring of kids to this center with fun and games and then indoctrinating and brainwashing them.

Miz point

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I think the location is terrible. Children would have to walk down Main Street, under the tracks where the human garbage hangs out and shoots up, lots of ugliness there....this is retarded. Why are our community centres not receiving this kind of funding? They could use the money and they are safe havens.

http://www.granhotelflores.blogspot.com

Freeman

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I agree that the location is certainly not one that I would pick. The $$'s that go into our community centre system needs to be re-examined. There are too many inefficiencies in that system to justify increased funding.

Deank

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"Why are our community centres not receiving this kind of funding?"

if you mean in that area? simple.. because there is no one there to run them.

AGEsAces

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I'm curious...aren't there JCCs up here? (Jewish Community Centre)

Don't they get funded partially by government grants/loans?

When kids go there, are they hoarded into a corner and fed some rhetoric about how Christians are evil? and being Jewish is the only way to live?

So why the outcry for the Youth for Christ centre? It would basically be the same thing. About the only thing they MIGHT do that you won't get at a public community centre, would be prayers before events...but I've been to some public events recently where they had a prayer before the thing started.

http://www.photage.ca

Miz point

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Deank wrote:"Why are our community centres not receiving this kind of funding?"

if you mean in that area? simple.. because there is no one there to run them.

Not true in the case of Norquay CC. We have a solid volunteer base. What we are lacking is much needed upgrading to our aging facilities.

http://www.granhotelflores.blogspot.com

Deank

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If you have such a solid volunteer base it sure as hell would be nice if you sent someone to even one of the sport committee meetings for the area.

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Deank wrote:If you have such a solid volunteer base it sure as hell would be nice if you sent someone to even one of the sport committee meetings for the area.

LOL!

Deank

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not meant as a dis.. just meant as saying something very frustrating

We see that asshat from the area (no names mentioned but you know who I mean MizP ) stand up and yell at city wide meetings that how come there is no sports teams in the area and blame the city and everything but when it comes to hockey and soccer meeetings having anyone from the area show up is VERY RARE and when they do show up they have dont have much to contribute and WORSE.. they dont advertise registration dates nor take or submit even a single kids name for sports registration.

TO top it off... they are still considered members of the association so getting quorom at the meetings must include them as a percentage...

Goth_chic

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My ex's Mother is one of the people responsible for the Women's Resource Centre in PD among other things. She is involved in almost every group, committee etc in PD. I have sent her an email asking her what she thinks about this new rec centre planned for Higgins and Main.

I know who you are referring to dean...my ex mother in law also has a lot to do with Norquay cc and school.

Miz point

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Deank wrote:not meant as a dis.. just meant as saying something very frustrating

We see that asshat from the area (no names mentioned but you know who I mean MizP ) stand up and yell at city wide meetings that how come there is no sports teams in the area and blame the city and everything but when it comes to hockey and soccer meeetings having anyone from the area show up is VERY RARE and when they do show up they have dont have much to contribute and WORSE.. they dont advertise registration dates nor take or submit even a single kids name for sports registration.

TO top it off... they are still considered members of the association so getting quorom at the meetings must include them as a percentage...

Send me a PM Dean because I want to know more.....I know of two people heavily involved in that club that do pretty much everythign and this loudmouth (I think I know who you are discussing) likes to talk lots and take credit.

http://www.granhotelflores.blogspot.com

Miz point

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sputnik wrote:
Deank wrote:If you have such a solid volunteer base it sure as hell would be nice if you sent someone to even one of the sport committee meetings for the area.

LOL!

I don't see anything particularly funny in what Dean had to say. He is frustrated. I used to be on the board at Norquay CC and left the board because of all the infighting and trivial power struggles. I do know for fact that there are two dedicated individuals doing the best they can with little resources or help. This is one of the biggest problems in the inner city - finding volunteers and it is ironic to say the least that those of us who have volunteered hundreds of hours and our expertise usually do not have the time to volunteer because of work. Yet and all here we are helping anyway.

And the biggest complainers are the ones who do not help.

http://www.granhotelflores.blogspot.com

Freeman

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My criticism is of the community centre system, not necessarily of the many hard working and dedicated volunteers who try to work within a terribly perverted system. In an effort to de-politicize the system, the administration has handed power to what is turning into another political cluster frick called the General Council of Winnipeg Community Centres, whose mandate and role is unclear to anyone. Instead of supporting the volunteers, they contribute to their administrative workload with no noticeable benefits to the cc's.

//end rant

Miz point

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I agree....I used to attend the GCWCC meetings and came out of them feeling like my time was being wasted, our needs not being heard etc...

http://www.granhotelflores.blogspot.com

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