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Speed Tickets in Work Zone When No One Is Working

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JT Estoban


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JTF wrote:Oh ya, but just to catch you going over the regular speed limit (50kph usually).

Years back, there were "school zones" where you had to lower your speed to 15mph at the time. There were signs indicating where the zone ended btw.


I've seen those in other cities....I guess they take safety more seriously than we do. Sad

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We seem to be okay with the idea of cops setting up a radar trap and giving tickets on the spot, but not with a van parked there?

Hmmmm......

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We did away with them because they didn't make sense. Kids are everywhere, not just in schools zones eh.

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"Most red light around schools throughout the city maybe all."

none that I am aware of ... got some examples JTF so I can go check it out in the next little bit?



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JT Estoban

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JTF wrote:We seem to be okay with the idea of cops setting up a radar trap and giving tickets on the spot, but not with a van parked there?

Hmmmm......

Absolutely. A real cop can make the decision....a comish with orders (and maybe incentives) to ticket as many people as possible (remember, they are going to haul in as much cash as they can, regardless of how safe the situation is) so there is a disconnect there.

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JTF wrote:We seem to be okay with the idea of cops setting up a radar trap and giving tickets on the spot, but not with a van parked there?

Hmmmm......
nope. not a trap. Have the cop sitting in the open.
1) you get a ticket instantly, no waiting 14 days of you possibly getting 14 or more tickets. The road (with you on it) will be "safer" 14 days sooner.
2) you get a ticket instantly, you are going to drive slow at least for the rest of that day. You are stopped just before or just inside the construction and you dont continue to speed through it
3) people see the cop and actually slow down.

4) also the very high possibility of there not being even one ticket handed out if people see the cop sitting there with his lights on.

Thats what we want right? no tickets handed out at all?

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That "should" be the goal....

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none that I am aware of ... got some examples JTF so I can go check it out in the next little bit?
...top of my head... Corydon at Stafford and again at Harrow...Ellice / Sargent at Clifton-ish...Selkirk at Arlington...

zit for now...



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Heh heh. If you think you'll get a ticket because a cop caught you speeding then maybe that is an incentive to slow down ALL the time.

If you think you'll get a ticket because you sped through an intersection with photo radar you'll likely slow down every time at THAT intersection.

Placing vans in areas like school zones at 8am Sunday morning or 9pm at a construction zone is NOT a safety measure. It is very obvious what that is...

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exactly.

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JTF wrote:
none that I am aware of ... got some examples JTF so I can go check it out in the next little bit?
...top of my head... Corydon at Stafford and again at Harrow...Ellice / Sargent at Clifton-ish...Selkirk at Arlington...

zit for now...
thanks

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Dave Chomiak and the NDP, please accept my apology for making derogatory comments a
Attorney General Dave Chomiak said new regulations should be in place late Friday to allow police resume photo enforcement in construction zones.
Chomiak said the new rules will spell out that speed cameras can only be used when workers are present -- and if they are not, there has to be a specific safety risk to other drivers for police to enforce reduced speeds on weekendsbout our "injustice" Minister!

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/Construction-zone-radar-to-resume-44546957.html
Quick change, and a proper change! That is why the NDP stay in business!
Now we'll see if the money gets returned! So many pay the fine because the alternative, to fight an injustice costs more than it is worth! That part of the system should be changed! In the old days you could go down and talk to someone and get the ticket dismissed, after you explained what happened. That kept the system freed up. That prt could be returned.

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Then every one would think those that should not get it done away with did , the police and all. If it had been worker present when I got it then I deserved it but 8.30 Sat night is cash grab and nothing more then that.
This goverment and the city made the people go out and make them some money under the bs of safety and they should be held accountable by giving me mine back, it was collected illegally end of subject .
Problem is they have all spent it on some bull sh1t we don't need or some other crap , so now they have to figure a scheme or bs story to get away with it . Typical politics bs and smile, it is the mantra of what they do .

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If the money gets returned than we owe Gary Doer a tip of the hat for being "fair and balanced"!
How does this get to be a Provincial responsibility, when it is Winnipeg police handing out these tickets at an inappropriate time? I would think this falls on Mayor Sam?

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Re: Give ticketed drivers their money back (May 5). I am one of the honest, law-abiding individuals that paid my fine last summer for a ticket. I resent the fact that Attorney General Dave Chomiak says I pleaded guilty to an offence. I paid my ticket out of a matter of economics. I could not afford to take time off from making a living to fight the ticket. It was a lose-lose situation. I was clocked at 73 kilometres an hour in a normally 80 zone on Lagimodiere. How exactly is that being a threat to society? My $190 fine was basically a city surtax.
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Gotta love it when Evil Doer and his party are exposed as the real villains...

Mayor Sam Katz is shooting down any suggestion the city is to blame for a rapid upsurge in radar-gun use in Winnipeg construction zones.

Responding yesterday to the Doer government's apparent suggestions that city decisions are behind an explosion in the number of such speeding tickets to about 60,000 in 2008 from some 3,000 the previous year, Katz fired back.

Katz said it's the Doer government that ramped up photo enforcement in Winnipeg following mishaps such as the deaths of two cable installers struck by a vehicle on St. Mary's Road a couple of years ago.

"They decided to basically do an advertising campaign regarding construction sites and photo radar, and then started enforcing photo radar at the construction sites," Katz said, adding an increase in Winnipeg street construction last year helped boost the province's expansion of speed controls in work zones.

"There was a phenomenal amount of construction going on all over the city -- major construction. We're all aware of what was going on.

"With mobile units, it was much safer. And there was more of it. So that's really how that came about."

The mayor's comments came after Justice Minister Dave Chomiak said on Wednesday the spike in construction zone tickets is a sign the photo-radar law should be changed.

Shield police

Katz also tried to shield Winnipeg police from blame in the photo radar mess, stressing the city's cops have been fair with motorists.

"Impugning the integrity of the Winnipeg Police Service," Katz said. "I find that almost insulting."

The mayor added he isn't certain how hard public coffers will be hit if the province and city refund drivers for tickets wrongly issued in Winnipeg construction zones.

"If there is a $10-million hit, is that going to have an impact? I think you know the answer to that," said Katz. "Of course it will have an impact."

The mayor's office released estimates showing slightly higher Winnipeg photo-radar revenue going to the province than to the city. In 2006, according to the estimates, the provincial government took in $12.6 million while the city collected $11.7 million.

In 2007, it was $12.3 million for the province and $11.3 million for the city. Last year, the province reaped $17 million while Winnipeg received $14.1 million.
Winnipeg Sun

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I encourage all of you to continue your protest. I encourage you to continue to exceed the speed limit, especially in places where photo radar is a probability. I also believe that you should all spend every available minute and dollar at one of our casinos, betting through whatever vehicle tickles your fancy. As a matter of fact, if you have any spare money and have a philanthropic urge, make a donation to whatever level of government catches your fancy. The more that you all contribute through fines, gambling revenue and outright donation, decreases the likelihood that they will want to increase my taxes.

On behalf of the Freeman family, thank you.

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I'm confused here.

Who set up the radar? The WPS.

Who controls the WPS? The Mayor.

Katz is blaming Doer for the actions of the WPS? Yup.

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JTF wrote:I'm confused here.

Who set up the radar? The WPS.

Who controls the WPS? The Mayor.

Katz is blaming Doer for the actions of the WPS? Yup.

that got you scratching your head too?? scratch

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But the WPS set up the radar to enforce laws under the Highway Traffic Act, which is provincial legislation, and the province also receives a "cut" of all the fines collected under the HTA. Does that help?

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no thats the same arguement

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I say they BOTH are responsible. I also believe there was collusion here between the two governments.

The whole point of my post was to demonstrate that the provincial government was both involved in the decision making and shared lucratively in the profits.

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Winnipeg police May 5 2008 Media Release ( note where it says winnipeg police and not Manitoba Police )
http://winnipeg.ca/police/press/2008/05may/2008_05_05.stm

Photo Enforcement in Construction Zones


Construction Zones should be safe work zones and road safety is vital for workers and motorists alike.
The busy road construction season has begun and with the increased roadwork projects throughout the city over the summer, the Winnipeg Police Service would like to advise motorists that police are stepping up our vigilance in construction zones.
Excessive speeds hamper a driver’s ability to react, particularly when road conditions have changed or when road construction and workers are present.
Photo enforcement units will be present at a variety of road construction locations in order to assist with safety by ensuring compliance with posted speed limits. Motorists are reminded to use extra caution when entering construction zones which are identified by standard signage. Particular attention must be given to reduced speeds in order to ensure the safe travel of all motorists as well as construction workers who may be present in the zone.

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grumpy old man wrote:I say they BOTH are responsible. I also believe there was collusion here between the two governments.

The whole point of my post was to demonstrate that the provincial government was both involved in the decision making and shared lucratively in the profits.

I agree to some extent GOM, the problem being when Sam makes a statement as he did.. seriously how can he actually say it was not THE CITY's fault? How insane is that?

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July 4 2008 ( again a Winnipeg police media release not a manitoba police one)
http://winnipeg.ca/police/press/2008/07Jul/2008_07_04.stm
Photo Enforcement In Construction Zones


The annual busy road construction season is in full swing with roadwork projects occurring throughout the city. A safe construction zone is vital for anyone in these work zones, be it workers, motorists, cyclists or pedestrians.
The Winnipeg Police Service has been actively conducting speed enforcement in these zones through photo enforcement due to ongoing safety concerns.
As Bishop Grandin Boulevard is widely travelled by thousands of motorists each day, the risk to construction workers and others sharing the roadway is heightened. Many motorists were choosing not to reduce their speed as posted. Recognizing the need to ensure public safety, the Winnipeg Police Service increased speed enforcement at this location as well as numerous other road construction zones.
“We are encouraged by the drastic reduction in speeding violations at the Bishop Grandin Boulevard location and are confident that the public will continue to reduce their speeds and play an active role in construction zone safety.” says Staff Sergeant Mark Hodgson of the Winnipeg Police Service.
During the first three days of enforcement in both directions (April 29-30 and May 1st), a total of 1,967 citations were issued to motorists speeding through the construction zone. During the last three days of available data (June 18, 19 and 20), a total of 532 citations were issued.
The percentage of vehicles speeding during the same time periods was reduced from 7.6% to 1.4%, further demonstrating the outstanding success of the Photo Enforcement Program.
“The road construction industry is delighted with the reductions of speeding motorists and continues to support the Winnipeg Police Service efforts to further reduce the number of speeding violations. A safe work environment ensures that our friends and family members working at road construction sites get home safely.” says Chris Lorenc, President of the Manitoba Heavy Construction Association.
The Winnipeg Police Service will continue to actively conduct speed enforcement at construction zones throughout the summer and is confident that the number of violations will continue to decline.

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Heh...one thing has become clear here, and that is that even two levels of government working in collusion cannot assure that things will be done properly.
This screw-up should be put in somebody's 'permanent record' eh.

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