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so that Alzheimer patient is back in jail and his victim has died this time

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Alzheimer's is like any other disease that turns people violent. Look at Li. He is no different. But because he has serious violent impulses he must be watched and we must be protected from him.

holly golightly

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grumpy old man wrote:Alzheimer's is like any other disease that turns people violent. Look at Li. He is no different. But because he has serious violent impulses he must be watched and we must be protected from him.

Alzheimer's is not like any other disease, similar to what Li suffers from. With Li, his mental illness can be controlled by meds, Which makes him very very different. Alzheimer's has no know medication that can "control" the symptoms. It has been stated before in this thread, unless you have first hand knowledge of this disease, you will never know to what extent how horrible this disease is.

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Let's not make this more than it is. It's horrible. I get it.

In the unfortunate case we are talking about the public must be protected from the gentleman because he has a mental disease that makes him unpredictably violent. Just the same as Li.

BTW I have first hand knowledge. I'm still not an expert.

holly golightly

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As I said before, we will disagree on some aspects of this. I happen to disagree to the point that you cannot compare Alzheimer's to any other type of mental illness. Even on medication, an Alzheimer's victim can be unpredictable, but in the case of the type of mental illness Li suffers from, the violence can be controlled through medication.

I don't claim to be an expert either, just someone who has been through the gauntlet 3 times and I have done some pretty extensive research, book wise as well as having myself genetically tests to see if I am looking at the worst case scenario.

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holly I think we all quite realize how horrible it is and I dont think we need first hand knowledge of that fact.

(first hand BTW would be you having it yourself)

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BTW I have first hand knowledge.

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http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/probe-death-family-says-118898469.html

"
The family of a man who died Monday night following an incident at a
personal care home is demanding a provincial inquiry into the
circumstances that led to his death.

"My father's death will not be in vain," the late Frank Alexander's son, Michael, said Tuesday.


"We will do all we can to bring to light issues in the system," said
the Ottawa-area man who is in Winnipeg making funeral arrangements for
his father. "There has to be a detailed inquiry.""
Finally an inquiry I believe is necessary. No pussy footing around this needs to be launched ASAP.

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The ndp usually takes YEARS to call an inquiry. The latest one? SIX years for baby Phoenix Sinclair murdered by his mother.

How does an inquiry SIX years after the fact help anyone? Is this Filmon's fault also?

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heh.. oh we have to wait for the entire criminal process to be completed....

NOT.. so very fuckin not.

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What a very costly inquiry would prove is beyond me.
With all due respect, I think the family is just venting, and hopefully cooler heads will prevail.

What went wrong here is pretty evident.

What needs to be done is not so evident, but an inquiry wouldn't accomplish anything that a Legislative Committe or something else like it, couldn't come up with.

More vigilance is required. There. Done.

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"
What needs to be done is not so evident, but an inquiry wouldn't
accomplish anything that a Legislative Committe or something else like
it, couldn't come up with."

ah true.. could go with that. obviously something went wrong and needs to be fixed. dont need to be an official inquiry.

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BTW I have first hand knowledge.

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Rolling Eyes

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LOL. I got it but Deano didn't seem to. ???

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no I got it... it just was an eye roller.

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No. It was good. It is clear you've no real sense of humour... Smile

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I don't get it. Tragic as this is, the guy is obviously suffering from a well diagnosed mental disorder. So, what is a trial going to determine? How can he stand trial? What the hell do they do, wait until he has a lucid moment?

I mean in no way to minimize the death of the victim and the impact on his family, but it seems that our system provided more breaks to Vince Li.

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grumpy old man wrote:Alzheimer's is like any other disease that turns people violent. Look at Li. He is no different. But because he has serious violent impulses he must be watched and we must be protected from him.
lol!

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You find that funny? Care to explain?

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Alzheimer's makes one act weird sometimes.

grumpy old man

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Indeed. I found that unexplained response quite peculiar.

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well aint that awesome.. the chiefs are calling for better care on reserve because of this incident.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/Chiefs-calling-for-better-elder-care-after-seniors-death-119070794.html

not that I disagree. Elders all of stripes should be able to enter personal care homes at least reasonably close to where they live but this is NOT something that should be driven by a race issue.

holly golightly

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I'm surprised that it took this long for the chief's to react. I thought there would have been a reaction when he "assaulted" his wife a few months ago. But typical, they need to have their 15 minutes of press time. Sorry that the fact you chose to live in a remote community and when conditions arose, you were "forced" to move closer to medical care. Would they (family and/or chief's) have cried "foul" if he would have been stricken with diabetes or renal failure or cancer???

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Alzheimer's is like any other disease that turns people violent


Can you prove this statement and think about what you are saying the key is turns and other , and remeber i have more background then you . For that fact so doe,s my wife she ran an program at Deer Lodge for 20 plus years . I am not saying they are not violent just that Alzheimers is not the cause of violence .

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Sorry that the fact you chose to live in a remote community and when conditions arose

Did they choose or did they get put there ? Just a thought .

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Pavolo wrote:Alzheimer's is like any other disease that turns people violent

Can you prove this statement and think about what you are saying the key is turns and other , and remeber i have more background then you . For that fact so doe,s my wife she ran an program at Deer Lodge for 20 plus years . I am not saying they are not violent just that Alzheimers is not the cause of violence .
So you figured the best way to educate was to use the "LOL" emoticon? I am impressed.

Whatever. Prove what? Was the fellow not "violent" out of character? If someone uncharacteristically becomes violent while suffering from a mental illness could one not use the phrase "turns violent"? Are we seriously arguing semantics on the turn of a phrase?

Whatever. I'm up to the challenge. I googled "does alzheimer's turn people unusually violent?" and received more than 3 million results. I picked just the first couple to post here so readers can easily discover my findings.
There are two main reasons why people with dementia may turn violent:

Personality changes brought on by the disease include loss of inhibition and self-control. A mild-mannered individual may do things he or she never would have previously.

Emotional or physical discomfort is the top trigger for physical aggression. The person feels insecure, threatened, angry, tired, embarrassed, humiliated, or otherwise vulnerable but lacks the ability to communicate these emotions in a socially acceptable way.

Read more: http://www.caring.com/articles/alzheimers-hostile-aggression#ixzz1IMsq8GYU

* Families struggle to balance their desire to care for patient versus their safety

* 5-10% of Alzheimer's patients become violent

Read more: http://www.aarp.org/health/brain-health/news-03-2011/when_alzheimer_s_turns_violent.html

Whatever. This is not a matter of who is smarter than the other. It is an opportunity to teach and learn. You know, like Holly did.

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