Newly arrived Winnipeg Muslims want children excused from music, mixed phys-ed classes

Fair enough. Canada - like other Western countries are now doing - must formalize the fact that we do not and will not recognize Sharia law. That is the stated goal of the Islamist movement. And our courts should not be subject to recognize the "values" decried by fundamentalist Muslims. That needs to be carved in stone. A Canadian stone. No more of the ambiguious nature of Canada and it's laws/courts. Who should come to Canada - vittually anybody except for those bent on reforming Islam and Sharia within Canada. That door needs to be closed. Look to rance, Denmark and it's neighbours for why that position needs to be taken. Canadian's will not tolerate it's government going further down this road.

By the way Pav - name me a Muslim country that has open immigration to the Western world - including accomodating, endorsing and accepting as new law - aspects of the western world - including for example gay marriage. There are none. They want nothing to do with the western world and they don't mind stating so - other than billions in aid, I might add. The situation could not be more absurd.

And if these groups are able to enjoy the lack of participation in music and phys ed, then the children who do not participate will also not be able to graduate AT ALL from grade 12 considering phys-ed is a mandatory subject right up to grade 12. If they don't want co-ed phys ed classes, send the kids to private schools that are single sex schools only. Or start a school of their own that caters not only to their religious beliefs but is open to all that also includes the choice to not have music and to have single sex phys ed classes.

But will such schools really prepare the children for mainstream Canada once they graduate?

Integration is the key.

Not that it's any of our concern either way (re: if the kids go to PE/Music)... It's not our position to try and control everything around us.

Jondo wrote:Fair enough. Canada - like other Western countries are now doing - must formalize the fact that we do not and will not recognize Sharia law. That is the stated goal of the Islamist movement. And our courts should not be subject to recognize the "values" decried by fundamentalist Muslims. That needs to be carved in stone. A Canadian stone. No more of the ambiguious nature of Canada and it's laws/courts. Who should come to Canada - vittually anybody except for those bent on reforming Islam and Sharia within Canada. That door needs to be closed. Look to rance, Denmark and it's neighbours for why that position needs to be taken. Canadian's will not tolerate it's government going further down this road.

By the way Pav - name me a Muslim country that has open immigration to the Western world - including accomodating, endorsing and accepting as new law - aspects of the western world - including for example gay marriage. There are none. They want nothing to do with the western world and they don't mind stating so - other than billions in aid, I might add. The situation could not be more absurd.

We do not recognize Sharia law and i doubt we will ever it is to strong and backwards for most here to accept .

Then maybe we should not recognize fundamentalist Jews either eh as they may be the cause of our Ambiguity

And then how would you stop the teachings of the radical Islam which is going on now , remember you have the knowledge here now and it is readily available on the net .
And have you noticed all of the Canadians coming out of Egypt in the last 2 weeks some of them lived there , and all of the ones in Dubai how about the ones who work there . Yes they have a different value system then us and different laws but it is not hard to adapt to it . I did when there for 3 years Dubai . One part of it that we should adopt rapist are shot . Child molesters the same . Funny they do not have this problem , so it is not all bad.

And name one Middle Eastern country getting aid from Canada other then farming or technical aid . Hell most of them have more money then we will ever dream to have . Not sure what you mean with this one

And as far as gay marriage remember most of the states do not allow it so maybe we should not allow them to immigrate here either

Considering it is a crime in most fundamentalist Islamic nations to promote any other religion other than Islam, we are being more than tolerant allowing them immigrate here. We don't need to bend over backwards changing our way of life for them. As posted by many others in this forum, you don't like the way our schools are, then send your kids to private school or don't expect them to graduate. Why should we change the way we do things to benefit a very small percentage of backwards religious wack jobs.

I mostly agree with GOM on this one, how can we expect those children to ever integrate into Canadian society by allowing their parents to continue their very un-Canadian practices? Perhaps if Western values and Western society is not something you want your children being exposed to, just perhaps you shouldn't immigrate to a Western country. Enough with this stupidity.

Perhaps the Feds can explain if they intend to tighten immigration up. Or will they stay silent?

The countries we're talking about (Muslim) have zero tolerance for other religions (as somebody well-noted). That type of culture should not be welcome here. Pav you mentions Jews - how well are they accomodated over there?

Pavolo wrote:We do not recognize Sharia law and i doubt we will ever it is to strong and backwards for most here to accept .

Ontario came very close to actually doing just that not more than 5 years ago before they came to their senses.

Pavolo wrote:Then maybe we should not recognize fundamentalist Jews either eh as they may be the cause of our Ambiguity

My answer would be yes if they wanted us to change the curriculum of our schools to accommodate them. See that is the point.

It has nothing to do with them being Muslim or Jewish or WASPS for that matter.

The real crux of the matter is immigrants are coming into Canada and demanding we change OUR ways to accommodate them. That is the problem.

Anything radical and extremist is dangerous and highly unwelcome. I do not appreciate having to step around yet another special interest group and give them concessions when THEY came HERE. You can bet your boots that if I, as a white, western woman, stepped off the plane unescorted by a man in a place like Saudi Arabia, that I would either be barred from even entering their country or thrown in jail for not obeying THEIR law.

Again, it wouldn't matter to me if they were polygamist Mormons from Utah wanting to have special rights on their breakaway sect compound, fundy Islam people who believe we're Satanic oppressors, or a group that advocates for pedophiles. frick off, now.

Sourpuss wrote:Again, it wouldn't matter to me if they were polygamist Mormons from Utah wanting to have special rights on their breakaway sect compound, fundy Islam people who believe we're Satanic oppressors, or a group that advocates for pedophiles. frick off, now.

Where do you stand on gay marriage? We didn't always have it in this country.

Let's start a new thread rather than take this thread in a new direction.

Triniman wrote:

Sourpuss wrote:Again, it wouldn't matter to me if they were polygamist Mormons from Utah wanting to have special rights on their breakaway sect compound, fundy Islam people who believe we're Satanic oppressors, or a group that advocates for pedophiles. frick off, now.

Where do you stand on gay marriage? We didn't always have it in this country.

the difference being that including same gender family teaching in the curriculum is INCLUDING something. Not excluding it.

Funny how our schools want to teach our kids about the multicultural mosaic and to be inclusive and tolerant of others, but there are a lot of "others" that don't reciprocate that ideology.

Holly is right, if you don't attend the class, then you don't get the credit and you don't get promoted or graduate.

Why the hell would someone migrate to a country, knowing full well what the system is, and then expect it to change to accomodate them? Better yet, why would elected officials give audience to these types?

The Feds let these people in, did they not? Perhaps they will think twice next time and or change their policies.

Triniman wrote:The Feds let these people in, did they not? Perhaps they will think twice next time and or change their policies.

True, but also, the pinhead school trustees, (which we also elect) should grow a pair and say, "you knew what you were getting into when you signed up for a public school, so go with it or get out."

I dont get this whole. Girls should not exercise with boys thing.. not this incident but the fact that WE somehow accommodate this discrimatory practice on a case by case basis.

HOW??? Say is one grade of 200 people... 2 want to only have same sex exercises. who the hell pays for that phys ed teacher for 2 students? How do they learn to participate in team games when only 2 are there?

Triniman wrote:

Sourpuss wrote:Again, it wouldn't matter to me if they were polygamist Mormons from Utah wanting to have special rights on their breakaway sect compound, fundy Islam people who believe we're Satanic oppressors, or a group that advocates for pedophiles. frick off, now.

Where do you stand on gay marriage? We didn't always have it in this country.

If gay people want to be as miserable as the rest of us, then they're welcome to go and get married too. Enjoy your million year wait to get divorced, and dividing your assets.

I would prefer that schools did not teach my kids that Johnny has Two Moms and a Turkey Baster, but it's more of an issue of the age of introduction to the concept of homosexuality, rather than "OMG! MY KID WILL GET THE GAY!" I'm perfectly okay with it being taught around the time where we introduce the rest of the sex ed concepts - which is grade 5. Because my kids are sent to public school, if I'm given a heads up, I would probably elect to sit them out on Davey's Daddy Is A Bear Day, rather than kick up a fuss.

If one listed all the bad things that have happened in the world, you would find that 87% of those bad things are traced back to a religion!
Religions, all 1789 of the ones that have been counted, are the problem !
Not all of them, but just a small percentage of relgions have caused the grief.
In Great Britain, the army was trying to keep Catholics and Protestants separated in Ireland, and the result?? Killings.
The Tutsis and the Huutsies, same thing.
Why don't we simply ban all religions??
Make a clean sweep of all the nonsense, to eliminate the very small % of bad interpretation of the concept of- "I will kill you if you think differently!"

rosencrentz wrote:If one listed all the bad things that have happened in the world, you would find that 87% of those bad things are traced back to a religion!
Religions, all 1789 of the ones that have been counted, are the problem !
Not all of them, but just a small percentage of relgions have caused the grief.
In Great Britain, the army was trying to keep Catholics and Protestants separated in Ireland, and the result?? Killings.
The Tutsis and the Huutsies, same thing.
Why don't we simply ban all religions??
Make a clean sweep of all the nonsense, to eliminate the very small % of bad interpretation of the concept of- "I will kill you if you think differently!"

Yeah, but you'd still have socialists.