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Newly arrived Winnipeg Muslims want children excused from music, mixed phys-ed classes

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WINNIPEG — A dozen Muslim families who recently arrived in Canada have told Winnipeg's Louis Riel School Division that they want their children excused from compulsory elementary school music and coed physical education programs for religious and cultural reasons.

"This is one of our realities in Manitoba now, as a result of immigration," said superintendent Terry Borys. "We were faced with some families who were really adamant about this. Music was not part of the cultural reality."

Borys said the school division has alerted Education Minister Nancy Allan about the situation since music and phys-ed are compulsory in the province's elementary schools.

There have been no issues so far with children of middle-school or high-school age, he said.

The families accept physical education, as long as the boys and girls have separate classes, but do not want their children exposed to singing or the playing musical instruments, Borys said. The division has suggested they could instead do a writing project to satisfy the music requirements of the arts curriculum.

However, a local Muslim leader says there is no reason for young kids to be held out of music or phys-ed classes based on religious and cultural grounds.

"Who is advising them? My first concern would be who are these new immigrants talking to?" said Shahina Siddiqui, executive director of the Islamic Social Services. "This is the first time I am hearing this; I'm not very happy about it."

Siddiqui said there is no problem with elementary-school children taking coed phys-ed, at least "not with little kids under the age of puberty."

She said when some middle-school and high-school students have asked not to mix genders, they have been accommodated by schools.

Siddiqui acknowledged that music can be an issue — but only for a few people.

"Music is controversial in our community; this is a North American phenomenon," she said. "There is a minority view that music is forbidden. (That view) is not accepted by the majority."

Borys said that there had been one or two requests for kids to be excused previously, but this year a dozen families came forward at six schools.

Borys said that school division contacted a member of the Islamic community whom the parents suggested, consulted the Manitoba Human Rights Commission and looked at what other jurisdictions are doing about accommodation, particularly Ontario.

The division is trying to figure out what issues might arise when the children enter junior high or high school, he said.

Music is optional beyond Grade 6, but phys-ed is coed right through Grade 12.

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grumpy old man

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Holy crap! Will this garbage ever end? Time to stop this right now.

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Who let these radical jerkoffs into the country to begin with?

EdWin

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It's good to see not all muslims agree with this and are speaking out against it.

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Send them back to their pigsties ...

Jondo

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We need an Immigration overhaul. The criteria and conditions for acceptance into Canada need to be set out. Nobody here is interested in importing radical Islam. Are these people - who decide to move to the other side of the world (the free world?) choosing better over worse - or expanding their reach? It's damn time they answered that question themselves. So far this has been a one-sided discussion and most everybody I know is fed up with the decline of our country.

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the answer is no

and with the great law we just introduced they will be paying multiple heavy fines for removing their children without authority.

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Agreed that this is crap!

So is celebrating unionism and the labour movement, etc., at taxpayer's expense.

Ban kirpans and know what Canada is before you move here. And if you don't like it, don't move here!!

It's time Harper tightened up immigration.

grumpyrom

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What exactly does unionism have to do with this topic? Sheesh you guys never stop.

Simple answer to the problem is to stop allowing immigration from groups who don't share similar cultural values and norms. Perhaps we need to start screening based on cultural beliefs in addition to job skills etc.

grumpy old man

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I don't think blocking them is the answer. I think we stop kowtowing to their every whim is the answer.

grumpyrom

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That doesn't stop them from coming and using our laws (human rights, discrimination) against us for their benefit. It makes no sense to encourage immigration from cultures who's belief systems are radically different from our own. One need only look at the problems in countries like France that openly encouraged immigration from their Muslim colonies to see the end results. If we want to keep some sort of Canadian identity we should be encouraging immigration from nation's where people are friendly to our ideas and way of life, and who WANT to be more like us and not cultures who refuse to conform to our beliefs and values.

And please, remember I'm saying this as a first generation newcomer myself.

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Jondo wrote:We need an Immigration overhaul. The criteria and conditions for acceptance into Canada need to be set out. Nobody here is interested in importing radical Islam. Are these people - who decide to move to the other side of the world (the free world?) choosing better over worse - or expanding their reach? It's damn time they answered that question themselves. So far this has been a one-sided discussion and most everybody I know is fed up with the decline of our country.
Spoken like a true racist wasp . What you do not know condemn .

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Pavolo wrote:Spoken like a true racist wasp . What you do not know condemn .
If this is to be the extent of your contribution to the discussion then don't bother. Spend your time elsewhere pavolo.

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Seriously - does that guy EVER have a point?

Pavlov - if English is your second or third language - therefore you having difficulty capturing/expressing a point - then just state so - we'll work with you. We're a tolerant bunch - us Canadians.

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Heh heh...that's actually funny....and convoluted Canadianism....being against radical islamism is racist.

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Jondo wrote:Seriously - does that guy EVER have a point?

Pavlov - if English is your second or third language - therefore you having difficulty capturing/expressing a point - then just state so - we'll work with you. We're a tolerant bunch - us Canadians.
Hope I make this easy enough for you
1 who deceides what rules we use to get into this country all of your white freinds or maybe the pure european stock Iam sure your from is suitable background.
2 While I do not totaly disagree with what you are suggesting about the way we do things , Iam not ingnorant enough to say their are some who should chose what is okay while the others are not .
Hope that you will take the time to read this stead of looking for the pictures as there lacking .

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Jondo wrote:We need an Immigration overhaul. The criteria and conditions for acceptance into Canada need to be set out. Nobody here is interested in importing radical Islam. Are these people - who decide to move to the other side of the world (the free world?) choosing better over worse - or expanding their reach? It's damn time they answered that question themselves. So far this has been a one-sided discussion and most everybody I know is fed up with the decline of our country.

And what happens to the jobs ones like you will no longer do TAXI
Should we send all the Muslim and Islamic doctors home ,
Maybe the professors should be packing too ,
People like you do just what the radical Islamist want , you start to hate , it justifies what they teach the young how much the whites hate their kind .
And why they should rule the earth the Islamist way.
Glad to see that you are helping their cause for them .

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Any thing else you need explained to you or is that for now , or can you figure the rest out As I have said some of what you say is right and their needs to be changes made . To exclude any nationality or race from the table is wrong . After all once your type was welcomed here and look at what you did .

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If these few don't want to participate in Music, then there will be more for all the others attending classes. That is good.
The parents will be "out of it", but the kids, the younger the better, all will get along with everyone, as they learn English and French and will become valuable members of society!

http://www.elansofas.com

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Well, I hope these aren't the parents that teach their kids that it is good to strap a bomb to your chest and blow up innocent people.

These are the types of radicals that do such things.

You seem to forget that part Pav.

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JTF wrote:Well, I hope these aren't the parents that teach their kids that it is good to strap a bomb to your chest and blow up innocent people.

These are the types of radicals that do such things.

You seem to forget that part Pav.

For the most part the parent has nothing to do with it the church doe,s , Just another example of the universal love there is in Religion . Organized that is .

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Reminds me of the things that the so called traditional churches did for and at the states request . A subject few on here, know of or want to know of . It is easier to deny it happened or say Iam sorry to it . How do you tell a little boy he will be okay the priest is gone and it will be okay .

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I guess they should go to private schools then, otherwise too bad.

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Pavolo wrote:
Jondo wrote:We need an Immigration overhaul. The criteria and conditions for acceptance into Canada need to be set out. Nobody here is interested in importing radical Islam. Are these people - who decide to move to the other side of the world (the free world?) choosing better over worse - or expanding their reach? It's damn time they answered that question themselves. So far this has been a one-sided discussion and most everybody I know is fed up with the decline of our country.
Spoken like a true racist wasp . What you do not know condemn .
I will apologize for the way that I chose to state my displeasure and dislike of the above statement . I still do not believe that jondo to have really thought through what he has said . And if he has then you provide the method by which you will pick and chose the good from the bad . This should be real interesting .

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Fair enough. Canada - like other Western countries are now doing - must formalize the fact that we do not and will not recognize Sharia law. That is the stated goal of the Islamist movement. And our courts should not be subject to recognize the "values" decried by fundamentalist Muslims. That needs to be carved in stone. A Canadian stone. No more of the ambiguious nature of Canada and it's laws/courts. Who should come to Canada - vittually anybody except for those bent on reforming Islam and Sharia within Canada. That door needs to be closed. Look to rance, Denmark and it's neighbours for why that position needs to be taken. Canadian's will not tolerate it's government going further down this road.

By the way Pav - name me a Muslim country that has open immigration to the Western world - including accomodating, endorsing and accepting as new law - aspects of the western world - including for example gay marriage. There are none. They want nothing to do with the western world and they don't mind stating so - other than billions in aid, I might add. The situation could not be more absurd.

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