WikiLeaks - Is this a threat

Personally I think its a real good thing. Just starting to get a feel for it. Some dynamite stuff coming out.

I'd LOVE to see that here in Winnipeg. Get those smarmy, arrogant bureaucrats and government officials out from behind their veils of secrecy. A good example is the red light camera contract.

"We have nothing to hide."

Actually, I wonder how sensitve the leaked information really is. If its lower on the sensitivity scale, the reaction has to be the same if it were indeed vital to national security. Can't let little breaches go unpunished.

That being said, perhaps someone could try similar tactics to get information out of the CBC.

grumpy old man wrote:I'd LOVE to see that here in Winnipeg. Get those smarmy, arrogant bureaucrats and government officials out from behind their veils of secrecy. A good example is the red light camera contract.

"We have nothing to hide."

This is a bit of a stretch even for you isn't it or do you smell another conspiracy to b1tch about . O I forget goverment not supposed to act with out permission from the populace on every thing .

Pavolo wrote:

grumpy old man wrote:I'd LOVE to see that here in Winnipeg. Get those smarmy, arrogant bureaucrats and government officials out from behind their veils of secrecy. A good example is the red light camera contract.

"We have nothing to hide."

This is a bit of a stretch even for you isn't it or do you smell another conspiracy to b1tch about . O I forget goverment not supposed to act with out permission from the populace on every thing .

I does not appear you are capable of having a discussion on an adult level pav old chum. Perhaps you should banish yourself again and return when you grow up.

This bickering is so childish! Discuss things for Christ' sake and stop pecking at each other!
WikiLeaks is so damn interesting because we see what actually is being tried to get done, not what the photo-opts are showing!
i love the picture of the smiling King of UAR, kissing President Mahmoudajan of Iran, and in the background we know he is asking the Americans to blow up Iran's atomic bomb building.
We all know that the U.S. is asking Israel to do that!

I won't bother looking at this stuff. To wade through 1000s of documents is more than a full-time job, and random tidbits without context are useless. So what would one consider interesting in sleepy backwards Manitoba that a simple FIPPA request won't reveal?

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/special/RRC2009/

"So what would one consider interesting in sleepy backwards Manitoba that a simple FIPPA request won't reveal?"

How many hookers does the leader get for free?

rosencrentz wrote:We all know that the U.S. is asking Israel to do that!

What are they waiting for, Rosencrentz? Consult Mossad before answering! Let the games begin! Shalom.

From CNN.

"There’s a lot of talk about military action against Iran in the leaked cables, but an attack against Iran doesn’t appear imminent.

The most likely nation to launch an attack is Israel, which considers Iran an existential threat and Iran's nuclear program its top security priority. But even Israeli leaders have recently reined in their drumbeats of war.

Attacking Iran would be costly. Iran could hit back by attacking Israel and shutting down the Strait of Hormuz, through which an estimated 40 percent of the world's oil travels. Iran could further destabilize neighboring Iraq and Afghanistan, something Washington can ill afford.

Attacking Iran could unify its hard-line leaders at a time when there are clear signs of rifts. Conservative Iranian lawmakers reportedly started a petition to impeach Ahmadinejad, but Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei stepped in to halt the process.

Washington and its allies are also encouraged by the effect of the fourth round of sanctions against Iran, and their official position is still engagement and negotiations first.

An attack may not be imminent, but the option is not off the table. The leaked cables show many U.S. allies are convinced Iran is going after nuclear bombs and the only way to stop it is by force."

grumpy old man wrote:

Pavolo wrote:

grumpy old man wrote:I'd LOVE to see that here in Winnipeg. Get those smarmy, arrogant bureaucrats and government officials out from behind their veils of secrecy. A good example is the red light camera contract.

"We have nothing to hide."

This is a bit of a stretch even for you isn't it or do you smell another conspiracy to b1tch about . O I forget goverment not supposed to act with out permission from the populace on every thing .

I does not appear you are capable of having a discussion on an adult level pav old chum. Perhaps you should banish yourself again and return when you grow up.

Snarky Snarky And you talk about me, my point stands why are you so fixated on the supposed evil the politicians are doing against you . Not that there not, but it is out of our and their control as one high ranking political told me it is beyond the average governments control . It is in the realm of big business and the influence they have over our politicians . Goverment listens to them, not us like it or not . Yes it could be changed but at what cost to our lifestyle . The red light deal is Sh## in the scheme of things pal .

We've already registered a dot com for this purpose. The initial focus will be WRHA. WiseUpWinnipeg was approached by a few high-ups in WRHA who want to share internal documents. We imagine it expanding from there. This kind of venue is needed at this juncture of our autocratic/bureaucratic/socialist nightmare. We anticipate and look forward to the battle that PIPEDA will bring against our public effort.

Pavolo wrote:Not that there not, but it is out of our and their control as one high ranking political told me it is beyond the average governments control . It is in the realm of big business and the influence they have over our politicians . Goverment listens to them, not us like it or not . Yes it could be changed but at what cost to our lifestyle . The red light deal is Sh## in the scheme of things pal .

Ohh, unnamed high ranking polticians, control with big business, but there's no conspiracy, right?

I wonder when Assange will post the police documents of his rape and assault charges in Sweden....

Mantha wrote:I wonder when Assange will post the police documents of his rape and assault charges in Sweden....

Mayhaps you should request said information from the source...the CIA/MI6 -re: counter intelligence operation- which has been conducting this discrediting campaign since Wikileaks started leaking embarrassing documents....

JT Estoban wrote:

Mantha wrote:I wonder when Assange will post the police documents of his rape and assault charges in Sweden....

Mayhaps you should request said information from the source...the CIA/MI6 -re: counter intelligence operation- which has been conducting this discrediting campaign since Wikileaks started leaking embarrassing documents....

I'm sure if this is the case, he'll get those documents long before my nonexistent sources will.

I'll wait to see if he posts them.

Request said info from the police in Sweden where the charges are? I'm sure they have the documents you seek...otherwise they wouldn't be able to file charges...?

Either way, the damage is already done, the only way to get to Assange is to out embarrass him, factual or not. He's done damage to many large and powerful nations, none the less individuals. There's lots of people who'd like to return the favor I'm sure... Getting some charges, doesn't matter what, will make it much harder for Assange to travel.

Killing the man's reputation in the court of public opinion is all that really matters in the grand scheme of things.

does anyone ( other then the diplomats embarrassed by something they said or did) really give much of a damn about these docs?

I'm all for doing damage to those who deserve it. But let's face it - did we really need a leaked document telling us that the US thinks the CBC is anti-American?

If this guy just picked his battles and tried to make real change instead of just barfing out unclassified documents without regard to the consequences, I'd have a better opinion of him.

If this guy protected names of informants whose families could be put in danger by his website's actions, I'd have a better opinion of him.

If he actually understood what a 'wiki' was, I'd have a better opinion of him.

In my mind, he is no better than those he seeks to take down.

JT Estoban wrote:Request said info from the police in Sweden where the charges are? I'm sure they have the documents you seek...otherwise they wouldn't be able to file charges...?

Again, I'm not seeking them. I don't care to look at any of them. I'm just curious if he'll give himself the same treatment he's given others.

He's a politically minded Perez Hilton.

...other than the media?

???

response to my question

I think that there is a lot of documents, and a lot of statements that should never be brought out to the public, because the public doesn't need to know what is being said behind the scenes, as opposed to being said in public.
A perfect example is King Faruk of the U.A.E. being chummy with Iran's President Ahmahdijan, and behind the scenes telling the US to kill the nut case, as the nut case, if he gets an atomoc bomb will endanger the whole mideast.
Of what benefit is it to ruin Faruk's standing with Iran?

Regarding Assante's charges, who doesn't think this is a CIA plot to get him out of the way?

how the heck is this guy considered a hacker?
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/wikileaks-returns-operations-to-sweden-after-us-lawmaker-inquiry-results-in-virtual-eviction-111176709.html

all he is doing is providing links to documents that other people give him

Hacking

In 1987, after turning 16, Assange began hacking under then name "Mendax" (derived from a phrase of Horace: "splendide mendax," or "nobly untruthful").^[12] He and two other hackers joined to form a group which they named the International Subversives. Assange wrote down the early rules of the subculture: "Don’t damage computer systems you break into (including crashing them); don’t change the information in those systems (except for altering logs to cover your tracks); and share information".^[12]