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1Trade workers strike Empty Trade workers strike Mon May 17, 2010 7:56 am

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By ADAM CLAYTON, Winnipeg Sun
Hundreds of workers are going on strike Monday morning, a move that will delay many of Manitoba’s biggest construction projects.

Members of the United Association Local 254 will hit the picket lines after rejecting a tentative agreement the union had reached with the Construction Labour Relations Association of Manitoba (CLR) on May 10.

About 328 plumbers, steamfitters and welders are affected. They had been working at such job sites as the Canadian Museum for Human Rights, the new Winnipeg airport terminal and a new provincial women’s jail being built in Headingley.

Of the 322 ballots cast at the union headquarters at 34 Higgins Ave. yesterday, 224 were in favour of going on strike and 98 were against.

Heiko Wiechern, business manager with the union local, said he was somewhat surprised by the vote. “I thought it would be close,” he said. “I didn’t expect this.”

The union’s last contract, a three-year agreement, expired May 1 and members approved a strike mandate May 6, he said.

Wiechern said the union hopes to meet with CLR early this week.

“We’re going to give them a list of proposals. We’re hoping to have this resolved very quickly,” Wiechern said of the strike.

The tentative agreement rejected by union members called for a 3% hourly wage increase for each year of a three-year deal, Wiechern said.

Union members say they’re not getting a competitive wage. Negotiators will now be seeking a 6% increase over each year of a three-year agreement. Under the expired contract, the workers made $32.63 an hour.

Other unions are also in negotiations with the CLR, which negotiates collective agreements with trade unions on behalf of the industry’s contractors.

The International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers Local 2085 currently has a strike mandate on the table and is apparently still in negotiations with the CLR.

2Trade workers strike Empty Re: Trade workers strike Mon May 17, 2010 7:58 am

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Somewhat irrelevant what other trades are still negotiating. Other trades are not likely to cross picket lines.

Damn shame this. Again, maybe the timing is not the best given the still shaky economy. But I guess that is not their primary concern.

3Trade workers strike Empty Re: Trade workers strike Mon May 17, 2010 8:11 am

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The irony is that the human rights museum will be promoting unions and the labour movement.

4Trade workers strike Empty Re: Trade workers strike Mon May 17, 2010 8:14 am

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What's with you triniman? Don't you know when enough is enough?

5Trade workers strike Empty Re: Trade workers strike Mon May 17, 2010 8:27 am

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I suppose it is far more preferable to walk a picket line in this gorgeous weather than in January!

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6Trade workers strike Empty Re: Trade workers strike Mon May 17, 2010 8:30 am

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6% each year for three years seems a bit rich to me.

Are they making up for lost increases in the past? How does $32.68 an hour compare to other jurisdictions?

7Trade workers strike Empty Re: Trade workers strike Mon May 17, 2010 8:34 am

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Okay I may not have exact figures but let's say we do a comparison using Fort (crack) Mac as an example.....regular labourers up there, apprentices, are drawing at least thirty bucks an hour. Tradespeople, depending of course on which trade, are making closer to fifty bucks an hour. Some would say that is not a valid comparison but then again others could say that the trades wages in this town have not shifted upwards in several years. Increases are due but as to how much remains to be seen.

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8Trade workers strike Empty Re: Trade workers strike Mon May 17, 2010 8:37 am

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Fort Mac and Winnipeg have completely different cost of living numbers.

Doesn't a room there rent for $1,500 a month?

9Trade workers strike Empty Re: Trade workers strike Mon May 17, 2010 8:55 am

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grumpy old man wrote:What's with you triniman? Don't you know when enough is enough?

Chillax, dude. It was a fair observation, imho, not a rant.

10Trade workers strike Empty Re: Trade workers strike Mon May 17, 2010 9:43 am

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completely fair observation and something I was coming here to post myself


yes 6% per year is ridiculous, hell 3% per year is a little insane as well.


Comparing the wages of any trade in Winnipeg to a trade somewhere else is STOOPID.

11Trade workers strike Empty Re: Trade workers strike Mon May 17, 2010 9:56 am

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JTF wrote:Fort Mac and Winnipeg have completely different cost of living numbers.

Doesn't a room there rent for $1,500 a month?

Those wages I quote were around as far back as the early 90's when the cost of living was not anywhere near as high.

Dean, there is nothing wrong with comparing wages on a city by city basis. It is not "stupid" to do so.

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12Trade workers strike Empty Re: Trade workers strike Mon May 17, 2010 10:05 am

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What is the point in doing so? Different cities....different costs of living.

When doing so, it becomes a game of one-up-manship I reckon from past experience.

13Trade workers strike Empty Re: Trade workers strike Mon May 17, 2010 10:37 am

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Here is why I think its stupid


Like the wage, benefits, lifestyle in another city? Move there. Enough of a certain profession move there will cause a vacuum in the local you are moving away from and wages, benefits will change to lure you back... oh and btw.. enough of you move there and the wages, benefits there will go down.

14Trade workers strike Empty Re: Trade workers strike Mon May 17, 2010 10:48 am

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Dean-O-nomics....... Trade workers strike Icon_smile Wished it were that simple.

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15Trade workers strike Empty Re: Trade workers strike Mon May 17, 2010 10:48 am

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Triniman wrote:
grumpy old man wrote:What's with you triniman? Don't you know when enough is enough?

Chillax, dude. It was a fair observation, imho, not a rant.

It was a troll like - baiting comment, imho, dude. Big difference.

16Trade workers strike Empty Re: Trade workers strike Mon May 17, 2010 10:52 am

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A city-city comparison is reasonable. Comparing Fort Mac to almost any other city is not. That city needed to pay obscene wages to a) attract peeps, and b) keep them. The cost of living there is absurd. IF you could find a place to rent.

It is my understanding the wages are very competitive. And depending upon whom you speak with wages are not the biggest issue...

17Trade workers strike Empty Re: Trade workers strike Mon May 17, 2010 10:57 am

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Like I said earlier, the wages I was quoting go back the 90's.....but let us say look at Calgary in the construction/trades sector? Or why don't we find figures from Regina or Saskabush? Either way trades wages here, in my estimation, are behind but an 18% increase is too much to ask for all at once. Trouble is this is kinda having one by the short and curlies if projects are to be halted for too long.

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18Trade workers strike Empty Re: Trade workers strike Mon May 17, 2010 11:50 am

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Miz point wrote:Trouble is this is kinda having one by the short and curlies if projects are to be halted for too long.

Not really.

There are enough non-union tradespeople who would be willing to take on the projects.

It's all written into the contract at tender what's expected, and what happens if a labour change occurs.

There are deadlines to meet, and every day lost or extended costs money to the general, who then passes it on to the trade. The trades can only take so much before they violate the contract and are forced to withdrawal, at which point a new trade is hired to replace them, who may or may not be unionized.

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19Trade workers strike Empty Re: Trade workers strike Mon May 17, 2010 12:23 pm

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"
There are enough non-union tradespeople who would be willing to take on the projects."

LOL.. thats funny.. do you really think a non union tradesperson would be ALLOWED to work on the HRM or even the new airport?

20Trade workers strike Empty Re: Trade workers strike Mon May 17, 2010 12:47 pm

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Deank wrote:"
There are enough non-union tradespeople who would be willing to take on the projects."

LOL.. thats funny.. do you really think a non union tradesperson would be ALLOWED to work on the HRM or even the new airport?

yes...they would...and do

the trades we use are typically non-union...and many/most of them work for the general contractors on the sites affected as well.

whether they WOULD cross a picket line would be the only question.

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21Trade workers strike Empty Re: Trade workers strike Mon May 17, 2010 1:08 pm

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grumpy old man wrote:
Triniman wrote:
grumpy old man wrote:What's with you triniman? Don't you know when enough is enough?

Chillax, dude. It was a fair observation, imho, not a rant.

It was a troll like - baiting comment, imho, dude. Big difference.

Just chillax before you type. That's all. DeanK agrees with moi.

22Trade workers strike Empty Re: Trade workers strike Mon May 17, 2010 1:10 pm

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AGEsAces wrote:
Deank wrote:"
There are enough non-union tradespeople who would be willing to take on the projects."

LOL.. thats funny.. do you really think a non union tradesperson would be ALLOWED to work on the HRM or even the new airport?

yes...they would...and do

the trades we use are typically non-union...and many/most of them work for the general contractors on the sites affected as well.

whether they WOULD cross a picket line would be the only question.

on the HRM specifically? I dont think that Doer would allow that.

23Trade workers strike Empty Re: Trade workers strike Mon May 17, 2010 1:11 pm

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Triniman wrote:
grumpy old man wrote:
Triniman wrote:
grumpy old man wrote:What's with you triniman? Don't you know when enough is enough?

Chillax, dude. It was a fair observation, imho, not a rant.

It was a troll like - baiting comment, imho, dude. Big difference.

Just chillax before you type. That's all. DeanK agrees with moi.

more to the point then agree I was coming to post pretty much the same thing

24Trade workers strike Empty Re: Trade workers strike Mon May 17, 2010 1:13 pm

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Deank wrote:
Triniman wrote:
grumpy old man wrote:
Triniman wrote:
grumpy old man wrote:What's with you triniman? Don't you know when enough is enough?

Chillax, dude. It was a fair observation, imho, not a rant.

It was a troll like - baiting comment, imho, dude. Big difference.

Just chillax before you type. That's all. DeanK agrees with moi.

more to the point then agree I was coming to post pretty much the same thing

I'll take the bait.

Yes...the CMHR will talk about unions...as unions were made at a time when workers WERE oppressed and abused by employers.

Hopefully..that's all that is presented though...the development of the NEED for unions in a difficult time rather than trying to find a reason why unions need to be so rampant today.

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25Trade workers strike Empty Re: Trade workers strike Mon May 17, 2010 5:36 pm

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I was just at the airport and didn't see anyone picketing at all, even outside the new construction.

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