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Home inspectors - some reports may be quite misleading!

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GGF


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Freeman you said:

The increase in permit fees is another shift to more reliance on user fees rather than just having the rest of the world cover the expenses through taxes. Behind that bureaucrat at the counter are those who review the plans for compliance, etc and inpsectors who are ensuring that its done right.

Yup an 830% increase in one year should cover it there Freeman...GGF

grumpy old man

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Actually I believe there was a 99% decrease.

But, I'm all for user fees.

GGF

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GOM you said:

Actually I believe there was a 99% decrease.
That's cause no one can afford the permits anymore GOM...GGF

Freeman

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GGF wrote:
Freeman you said:

The increase in permit fees is another shift to more reliance on user fees rather than just having the rest of the world cover the expenses through taxes. Behind that bureaucrat at the counter are those who review the plans for compliance, etc and inpsectors who are ensuring that its done right.

Yup an 830% increase in one year should cover it there Freeman...GGF

That works out fine, because it didn't cost me anything. And seriously, don't just quote percentages, they can be incredibly deceiving, such as in this case.

Freeman

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and...

GGF

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Freeman you said:

and...

And Freeman hasn't got a real question or anything to add other then and to the thread or post because the word "And" is not a question in itself...and...

And because the word because was also used in a previous thread as a question...and...

And because the word "Because" is also not a question in itself...and...

And which now the 2 words combined becomes:

And because Freeman is simply trying to demonstrate his inability to post properly with intelligent questions other than using the word "AND" or "BECAUSE" in my opinion...GGF

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...and, we know what GGF's opinion is worth.

GGF

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Freeman you said:

...and, we know what GGF's opinion is worth.


Yup just another "Intelligent" or "respectful" post as always coming from you Freeman...and...

And it really is not relevant if it is done on a thread that is suppose to be about "Home Inspectors-some reports may be quite misleading!...and...

And not a thread about GGF himself...GGF

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GGF wrote:Yup just another "Intelligent" or "respectful" post as always coming from you Freeman...and...

Thank you.

GGF

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Freeman says:
Thank you.

Knock yourself out Freeman and let me and perhaps others know when your done so we can return to the thread...

"Home Inspectors-some reports may be quite misleading" ...

Because there are some of us who may have something real to add to this thread other then "Freeman's Disrespectful Non Sense Always"...GGF

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Yeah, I'm done for the moment, feel free to carry on. By all means, add something to this thread.

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gato you said at the beginning of the thread:

I know two recent home purchasers,owners, who (according to their home inspector's report) thought that all their new DECORA 3 prong receptacles were all grounded and no knob & tube wiring to such plugs! Actual result, after further testing, was - Not grounded at all and still wired with the old knob & tube = thousands $$$ to be rewired!

Do you know what the further testing to find out the receptacles were not properly grounded was?...and...

And because as far as I am aware of it is impossible to be able to "visually" see if they are properly grounded just by looking at the new Decora 3 prong receptacles installed and without removing the receptacle right?...and...

And do you or others perhaps know if there is an easier way with perhaps a special meter or something that someone can buy to test for proper grounds etc?...GGF

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Looking at the wires in the basement will tell you.

I doubt that a house with K&T will have everything finished off in the basement, so they will be visible.

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Ar some point they have to enter the panel. That should be telling... If really old it'll likely be a fuse box. Check for a ground bar. If a new panel, look at the ground bar and see if there are as many ground wires as there are circuit conductors exiting the panel.

The wires entering the panel will likely be a great tip off. If old they'll look like linen wrapped wires.

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JTF and GOM...

I understand what you are saying which is mainly how to identify if you have K&T wiring and or older wiring etc which you are both correct...

But my specific question was in relation to be able to tell if a specific outlet was properly grounded without actually having to pull the outlet cover off etc?...and...

And do you or others perhaps know if there is an easier way with perhaps a special meter or something that someone can buy to test the outlet "specifically" for proper grounds?...GGF

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King of peg...

Thanks for that link site...and...

And I actually have one of those testers but I didn't know you can check for proper grounds with it...and...

And or if the wires were reversed with that type of tester...and...

And I have been using mine to just check for power in the outlet...and...

And the buggarrsss when I bought this type of tester with the little light years ago they didn't have any directions like they have on the web site you just provided...Thanks...GGF

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GGF wrote:King of peg...

Thanks for that link site...and...

And I actually have one of those testers but I didn't know you can check for proper grounds with it...and...

And or if the wires were reversed with that type of tester...and...

And I have been using mine to just check for power in the outlet...and...

And the buggarrsss when I bought this type of tester with the little light years ago they didn't have any directions like they have on the web site you just provided...Thanks...GGF
According to my real sources, you can not exactly test for a ground with that tester or even with a plug in type tester. Testing a 3 prong receptacle installed in a knob & tube wiring may even show it to be all correct and NO REAL ground present. Some trunk slammers moonlight renovators can install a new 3 prong receptacle in a 2 wire - no ground system - and fool the inspectors, even electricians or anyone who uses those testers. More sophisticated equipment is required to test for a real ground especially if testing something more suspicious.

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mato you said:

According to my real sources, you can not exactly test for a ground with that tester or even with a plug in type tester. Testing a 3 prong receptacle installed in a knob & tube wiring may even show it to be all correct and NO REAL ground present. Some trunk slammers moonlight renovators can install a new 3 prong receptacle in a 2 wire - no ground system - and fool the inspectors, even electricians or anyone who uses those testers. More sophisticated equipment is required to test for a real ground especially if testing something more suspicious.

So mato what would that more sophisticated equipment be?...and...

And do you have a link where I can look it up and or maybe buy it etc?...GGF

grumpy old man

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Mato? WTF? Once = spelling error. Twice = ?

ggf, you don't need some expensive highfalutin gadget. Use the inexpensive tester as a starting point. Then look under the hood. Take the cover plate off the receptacles and look in the panel. You are looking for bare copper wires that serve as a ground wire. Don't see one? It is not grounded.

Or, touch the kitchen faucet and the fridge at the same time. That'll be telling too.

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Is not the ground screw connected to the box or to a water pipe as good some one told or showed me that once . Do not know if correct so don't do it till you find out just am wondering

grumpy old man

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Google is your friend.

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And here I thought you would know Home inspectors - some reports may be quite misleading! - Page 3 Icon_eek

grumpy old man

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I do know a little about electrical. I'm afraid I did not understand your post.

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Pavolo wrote:Is not the ground screw connected to the box or to a water pipe

Nope. That screw is just connected to the recepticle.

A seperate copper wire connected at the panel is what's needed.

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Pavolo wrote:Is not the ground screw connected to the box or to a water pipe as good some one told or showed me that once . Do not know if correct so don't do it till you find out just am wondering

The ground screw in a receptacle is only good if the ground wire in the service line is also connected to it.

The ground wire in the service line must feed back to a grounding screw in your panel/subpanel.

AND...none of that does any good if the ground wire for the panel isn't connected...and it must be connected to your COLD water pipe before it reaches your meter in your home.

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That's what I meant.LOL

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