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Still more damning reports about the sham known as Red Light Cameras...

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grumpy old man

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It’s been five years this month since the City of Winnipeg audit department demanded city council produce evidence that photo radar and red-light cameras reduce collisions.

So far, the city has failed to comply with that demand and continues to be in violation of the province’s Condition of Authority policy that allows the city to use photo enforcement.

The Winnipeg Sun has learned an independent traffic analysis that was supposed to be completed at least two years ago has been delayed once again.

After being directed by the city auditor’s department in 2006 to complete “an independent and comprehensive study to determine the effect the program has had on driving behaviour,” the city still has no such report.

City hall commissioned the Traffic Injury Research Foundation to conduct the independent analysis, but it has faced repeated “delays.” It was supposed to be completed by 2009 but was delayed until 2010. Then it was delayed to “late” 2010. When contacted this week, TIRF says it will be delayed until at least March or April.

I’m not holding my breath. The longer the delay, the more money the city, the province and the photo enforcement company makes.

Which is probably why the city continues to violate the terms of the province’s Condition of Authority for photo enforcement. Among other requirements, the city is supposed to produce complete collision reports every year that show whether crashes have gone up or down where red-light cameras and photo radar are used.

Not once has the city complied with that requirement since launching the program in 2003. At best, they have produced incomplete information on intersection cameras, while ignoring Manitoba Public Insurance collision data. And they have provided no collision data whatsoever for photo radar locations.

The longer they get away with that, and the longer the Selinger government fails to enforce it, the more both levels of government siphon easy money into the public treasury.

A third report that is being delayed is an internal city analysis of amber light times.

The group WiseUp Winnipeg last year produced evidence from jurisdictions in the United States, including in the state of Georgia, that showed extending amber lights and making them more appropriate for specific intersections has resulted in a sharp drop in collisions.

The evidence was so compelling it forced Mayor Sam Katz last year to request a report from administration on whether that strategy might work here. The report was supposed to be completed within 30 days and submitted to executive policy committee by Oct. 15, 2010. Four months later, there’s still no report.

When contacted this week, city officials said the report should come out “this spring.” The longer they drag that out, the more money they make from photo enforcement. Longer amber lights would kill the photo enforcement program, like they did in U.S. jurisdictions. So they’re in no rush to implement it here.

Had city officials implemented longer ambers, they could have already started collecting their own data. And unless our driving habits in Winnipeg are wildly different than that of our cousins south of the border, longer and more appropriate amber times — especially where the speed limit is 80 km/h — would have reduced crashes and probably reduced injuries.

For those who don’t know, Winnipeg — incredibly — has a uniform four-second amber time, regardless of the speed of the roadway or the size of the intersection.

Unfortunately, it appears the millions in profits from photo enforcement are more important than safety issues.

Don’t expect these reports to be made public any time soon.

For more, visit Brodbeck’s blog Raise a Little Hell at winnipegsun.com. Reach Tom by e-mail at tom.brodbeck@sunmedia.ca.

Jondo

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It's just getting started. Wait until you see the next two press release/issues that evidence gross subversion of their enforcement requirments. These will anger people - and at the same time show people how and why this program continues to catch so many "violators".

grumpy old man

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I would like to think the actions of city and police officials would anger people. Yet time and time again people ignore those borderline illegal actions and bleat "just slow down". Unbelievably they refuse to see the forest for the trees.

There really needs to be a notable groundswell of anger that the idiots at the city and the province can't ignore.

Jondo

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Have faith Grumpy - the tide is turning. Not just here but everywhere. South Dakota Legislators voted on Friday to ban red-light cameras and photo-enforcement from their state. This gig is up. The empty rhetoric on safety was and will always be void of fact becasue it was a propogated lie. Winnipeg will soon be the precedent that kills it in canada. Stay tuned this week.

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If the city is in violation of the Condition of Authority to use photo radar, aren't all tickets issued void therefore?

grumpy old man

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That's how I see it. Too bad people don't start pleading not guilty en masse.

Jondo

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That is a valid legal argument and one to be pursued - if they don't collapse before that becomes another avenue. Any one of the current tickets/upheld convictions also have a sound argument to go through appeals all the way to the highest court - on the Charter basis that a person cannot be convicted who wasn't or may not have been driving the vehicle registered to their name. The process is so full of holes including the mailing of Summary Convictions that they wouldn't have a chance of winning. Somebody just has to do it. We will do that if it becomes necessary. I don't think it will though - too many things presently mounting that will kill it first.

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Now it's also the height at which some signs were placed....

http://www.winnipegsun.com/news/winnipeg/2011/02/16/17306526.html


A speed limit sign near a top money-making red light camera in Winnipeg’s Grant Park area is posted too high to properly warn drivers to slow down, says the WiseUp Winnipeg campaign launched by a former traffic cop.

The group is raising questions about the red light and speed trap at Grant Avenue and Wilton Street. For drivers on Grant westbound, the speed limit drops from 60 km/h to 50 with two signs, one signaling the drop and the other changing the limit. The sign limiting speed at 50 km/h is more than two feet (0.60 metres) higher than Canadian standards, making it difficult for drivers to see, said Todd Dube of WiseUp Winnipeg.

“That’s why it’s such a cash pig,” he said. “Most of the drivers going through there don’t know that it’s a 50 (km/h zone).”

The Canadian standard is contained in the Manual for Uniform Traffic Control Device, which states signs should be posted no more than 9.8 feet — or three metres — high, Dube said.

Deank

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Seems to me that every single one of those tickets should be scrapped and the money returned.

Bets on the city response being

The speed within the city is 50 unless otherwise marked?

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The speed limit really should be increased to 60 on that section of Grant.

There's no valid reason for it to have been reduced in the first place.

Jondo

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The follow-up to this story/Sun will now introduce even a better example of improper signage.

Deank

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JTF wrote:The speed limit really should be increased to 60 on that section of Grant.

There's no valid reason for it to have been reduced in the first place.

heh.. sure there is.. councillors ignored their own traffic department recommendations and sided with the local citizens.

Thats a valid reason aint it?

Deank

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http://www.autoblog.com/2011/02/16/baltimore-issues-over-2-000-red-light-camera-tickets-with-dead-o/

LOL.. yup.. red light camera tickets are always reviewed by an officer for legality right?

greenTYPEWRITERS

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Sooo why don't we each buy a baseball bat to cure our ailments one random late evening? bounce

http://greenTYPEWRITERS.blogspot.com/

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Deank wrote:
JTF wrote:The speed limit really should be increased to 60 on that section of Grant.

There's no valid reason for it to have been reduced in the first place.

heh.. sure there is.. councillors ignored their own traffic department recommendations and sided with the local citizens.

Thats a valid reason aint it?

They installed a crosswalk in front of Grant Park SC. That is sufficient for safety. Reducing the speed was just plain caving to a couple of bitties imo.

Deank

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heh.. people get killed in the crosswalks on that stretch..

and of course it was caving. BUT!!! when the city recommends the speed be higher..how disappointed is it really when it brings in millions for them to leave it at the lower speed.

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Of course it's all about the money now.

Deank

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I suspect it was all about the money when the recent reccomendation was turned down to, the "people" were just the publicly appealing reason given

AGEsAces

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greenTYPEWRITERS wrote:Sooo why don't we each buy a baseball bat to cure our ailments one random late evening? bounce

I'm actually surprised there hasn't been a retaliation.

The LEAST those idiot kids who steal cars could do is find some random camera lights and drive through them...instead of trying to drive through taxis.

http://www.photage.ca

Deank

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"I'm actually surprised there hasn't been a retaliation."

There was at least one.

A guy from Alberta got nailed late one night. Came back 10 minutes later and attacked the camera with a baseball bat. BUT since he is from out of province he would have not been ticketed. BUT he did get charged for the damage Smile

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