nygard sues

Freeman wrote:Quite frankly, who cares? Nygaard is a private individual, and from what I can figure, he has broken no laws. Does he have an ego as large as all outdoors, yes, but he also has an incredibly successful organization, which he built from the ground up.
There is no doubt that he has pissed off some people during his career, but is this news? Can't see why. But then again, I'm not the publicly funded voice of the people who will do anything to try to prove my relevance in the face of continually reduced public funding. How's that for a motive?

grumpyrom wrote:Why should we care? Because I think people do have a moral obligation not to support complete a$$holes

Freeman wrote:

grumpyrom wrote:Why should we care? Because I think people do have a moral obligation not to support complete a$$holes

Which is why I don't like to pay union dues.

grumpyrom wrote:I don't even know why I bother.....you guys are right, the guy is absolutely wonderfull and none of the stories could possibly be true because none of them have been proven in court.




Except for the overtime cases he's lost.....

Goth_chic wrote:

grumpyrom wrote:I don't even know why I bother.....you guys are right, the guy is absolutely wonderfull and none of the stories could possibly be true because none of them have been proven in court.




Except for the overtime cases he's lost.....

Who said he is wonderful?

OT cases??? MANY business do not pay OT and yes they should but alot don't. A friend of mine owns his own business and does not pay OT or Stat holidays and if you work on a stat you get paid straight time no time and a half or double time. He has been operating this way for years. He gets away with this because his workers are sub-contractors.

grumpyrom wrote:No offence GOM, but one of my biggest pet peeves in life is peopl who counter every argument with "it's never been proven in court". Just because someone is extremely good at hiding/falsifying evidence and they can afford very good legal council that does not make them innocent in my books.

I personally dealt with claims mitigation at a past employer dealing with property damages caused by our equipment and employees. I know first hand that we were in fact guilty of the damages 95% of the time, yet we would claim no fault 100% of the time. It was always my bosses reasoning that even if we were able to get 25% if the claims tossed for lack of supporting evidence, or settled out of court at a reduced rate then we could reduce the costs associated with those claims greatly. That did not make us innocent in those civil matters, that just made us extremely good liars.

Just because something can't be proven in court, does not mean it did not happen.

Case in point O.J.

grumpyrom wrote:You still believe OJ is innocent too Freeman?
As stated, no, but they never asked me either.

Clearly at least SOME of the allegations ARE true as he has lost a few civil cases put before the courts in regards to overtime etc., and has settled others out of court. I ask you, does an innocent party settle out of court? Would you pay anyone, anything if you were innocent?

It is quite common to settle out of court in order to save the costs of litigation. This is called a "business decision". Out of court settlements also include a clause that the defendant does not acknowledge any guilt or wrong doing, so I guess that answers that one.

Also, many of the clear illegalties are kind of difficult to prove when most of the allegations take place in a locked compound, on an island where the perp also has VERY close ties to the local government. It might be a little embarrasing to the Bahamian authorities if these allegations were proven in a court of law to be true don't you think?

So, I guess you're claiming that the government of the Bahamas is involved, and they too are guilty of something. All part of the conspiracy, yes?

You can believe what you want to, but just because someting can't be proven (an often times sociopaths are extremely good at covering their asses) doesn't mean it didn't happen. Like I said, I know 2 people personally that have worked very closely with this man and I can state with 100% confidence that their experiences mirror the statements given in the documentary completely. I also know a few individuals through friends in the construction industry that have done some work at Nygard Cay and they also echoed the same stories (overtime not paid as promised, being held against their will, etc.)

I had a neighbour that worked for Nygaard, and he was treated very well and liked the guy. He also acknowledged Nygaard's ego and eccentricity, but I guess the CBC wasn't able to locate him or anyone else that might have a differing view.

Now I know you choose not believe any of it as the proof is not good enough for you, but unless their is a MASSIVE conspiracy in place by literally dozens if not hundreds of people to discredit this man then you at least have to wonder if even 10% of the stories are true then what type of individual is this man? And do you really want to support him?

As I said before, I really don't care. I don't work for him, nor do I have any desire, but what the CBC has done certainly sounds like libel. Guess they might have to pay legal fees out of the massive advertising revenues they make.


Now if your ok with offering people employment in a foreign country, telling them they don't need work permits and that you'll work it out, promising them one set of working condition and wages and then paying something completely different, and then holding them against their will in your private compound and telling them to get back to work knowing they can't go to the authorities without risking charges as they are in the country working illegally (since you brought them in as toursits on your private jet)....well then, if your ok with all that then I really, really have to worry about your morals. That's saying nothing about his dealings with prospective "models".

Please don't worry about my morals, they are really none of your fricking business, but be assured that I sleep well every night.

The guy is scum.

grumpy old man wrote:I agree with sputnik!!!