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76Phoenix Trial - Page 4 Empty Re: Phoenix Trial Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:15 pm

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Pavolo wrote:
Goth_chic wrote:Of course the 2 low lifes are going to Appeal....and an inquest is going to be called, and the blame is being put on Child and Family.
As well it should it took them 9 months to find out the child was dead god help someone there ass should roll but it won.t as they are to protected by union rules and the goverment doe, s not want a strike or sympathy walk out on its hands . As some one who has worked in this system for awhile this is the kaka to hit the fan . Some one should pay for this from CFS it won't be a manager though probaly some low person on the totem pole .
I am dumbfounded to know how this could have happened for 9 months someone f88888 up .

I guess I can't relate...no one comes to check on my kids...In the end, it was the parents fault. It sickens me that it'll become the governments fault....Why is it up to the government to raise children?

77Phoenix Trial - Page 4 Empty Re: Phoenix Trial Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:30 pm

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guess I can't relate...no one comes to check on my kids...In the end, it was the parents fault. It sickens me that it'll become the governments fault....Why is it up to the government to raise children?


Cause the parent doe's not want to or can't or doe.s not think it is there child , is to busy partying , there are probaly 40 more reasons Ive heard and still some I haven,t .
Yes it is sad and I don,t want to appear cold but the demand is out stripping the service as some look at it as a means to rid them selves of mistakes . Goth the sad part is there are too many unwanted children out there.

78Phoenix Trial - Page 4 Empty Re: Phoenix Trial Sun Dec 14, 2008 1:05 pm

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I read a book once called "The Long Orbit" By Mick Farren.

Cyberpunk sci-fi, one of the sub themes of the book was the fact that the world was overpopulated and that if a person chose to get sterilized they would be eligible for state welfare and could have any kind of life they wanted.

Now don't everyone jump all over me. Maybe hardcore multi-year welfare bums should be sterilized. Why have more babies born in to the never ending poverty cycle that welfare perpetuates.

Just a thought. The 2 who killed Phoenix should have their reproductive systems removed without anesthesia.

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79Phoenix Trial - Page 4 Empty Re: Phoenix Trial Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:48 pm

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LivingDead wrote:



Now don't everyone jump all over me. Maybe hardcore multi-year welfare bums should be sterilized. Why have more babies born in to the never ending poverty cycle that welfare perpetuates.


This is just a way some people have chosen to get back at the white man that took their land perhaps?

80Phoenix Trial - Page 4 Empty Re: Phoenix Trial Mon Dec 15, 2008 12:11 am

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LivingDead wrote:I read a book once called "The Long Orbit" By Mick Farren.

Cyberpunk sci-fi, one of the sub themes of the book was the fact that the world was overpopulated and that if a person chose to get sterilized they would be eligible for state welfare and could have any kind of life they wanted.

Now don't everyone jump all over me. Maybe hardcore multi-year welfare bums should be sterilized. Why have more babies born in to the never ending poverty cycle that welfare perpetuates.

Just a thought. The 2 who killed Phoenix should have their reproductive systems removed without anesthesia.

yeah that was an interesting book for sure

81Phoenix Trial - Page 4 Empty Re: Phoenix Trial Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:16 am

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They've tried sterilization in AB...

82Phoenix Trial - Page 4 Empty Re: Phoenix Trial Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:04 am

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death128 wrote:They've tried sterilization in AB...

We should try it here...some people should not be allowed to reproduce!

83Phoenix Trial - Page 4 Empty Re: Phoenix Trial Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:15 am

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death128 wrote:They've tried sterilization in AB...
wasn;t the sterilization only for the people residing in mental institutions?
or did they do a welfare one too?

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http://www.winnipegsun.com/news/winnipeg/2009/10/13/11387156.html

WTF!!!... seriously WHAT THE FFUCKK?!?

oh wee beat her, and tortured her.. but she went in the basement to get away from it.. we never forced her to go down there.

Frick this sh1t. I am calling in some favors.

85Phoenix Trial - Page 4 Empty Re: Phoenix Trial Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:43 pm

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damn merging MODS!.... err I mean thanks Smile

86Phoenix Trial - Page 4 Empty Re: Phoenix Trial Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:46 pm

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Thank you kindly sir. Just doin' our job. Very Happy

87Phoenix Trial - Page 4 Empty Re: Phoenix Trial Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:49 pm

Deank

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grumpy old man wrote:Thank you kindly sir. Just doin' our job. Phoenix Trial - Page 4 Icon_biggrin

well you guys get paid so much that its good you do it real quick or I might be inclined to demand money back

88Phoenix Trial - Page 4 Empty Re: Phoenix Trial Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:13 pm

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Questions.....

1. Why did the social worker NOT demand to see the child when she/he last visited the monster parents?
2. Why are the lawyers demanding an appeal?
- we already know the answer to this one.....they get paid to drag this out....they get paid by us.....they can easily manipulate brain dead clients
3. Why are the Native Leaders still silent?

I want the Judicial Inquiry to commence (cannot until all appeals are exhausted) so we can go after the child welfare system....this crap has to end. Ethno-cultural child care agencies are not effective.

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89Phoenix Trial - Page 4 Empty Re: Phoenix Trial Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:15 pm

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The Native leaders are still silent because they cannot blame the white man.

90Phoenix Trial - Page 4 Empty Re: Phoenix Trial Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:18 pm

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Goth_chic wrote:The Native leaders are still silent because they cannot blame the white man.
Bingo.

91Phoenix Trial - Page 4 Empty Re: Phoenix Trial Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:32 pm

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Interesting observation

92Phoenix Trial - Page 4 Empty Re: Phoenix Trial Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:33 am

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Goth_chic wrote:The Native leaders are still silent because they cannot blame the white man.
Oh I'm sure they'll find a way to pin this on the white man. Perhaps they'll claim this sort of behavior was never observed until the white devil came and "took this land" and then all of our evil ways have now cause aboriginals to act in the same manner as us horrible white people.

After all, white people are the scum of the Earth Phoenix Trial - Page 4 Icon_wink

93Phoenix Trial - Page 4 Empty Re: Phoenix Trial Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:19 am

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Wood chipper is what these 2 deserve. They should be glad they are still breathing. The jurors should have some authority to revoke the right of appeal in cases as disgusting as these.

94Phoenix Trial - Page 4 Empty Re: Phoenix Trial Wed Oct 14, 2009 6:34 am

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grumpyrom wrote:Wood chipper is what these 2 deserve. They should be glad they are still breathing. The jurors should have some authority to revoke the right of appeal in cases as disgusting as these.

It would be nice for the appellate judge to say "yes there was a miscarriage of justice". "you two should have been sentenced to death". Then send them on their way to serve 3 life sentences consecutively, with no parole.
They should be made to live in a 4x8 concrete box with nothing, feed them their own vomit, while the public can come in and shoot at them with pellet guns.

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95Phoenix Trial - Page 4 Empty Re: Phoenix Trial Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:37 am

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grumpyrom wrote:Wood chipper is what these 2 deserve. They should be glad they are still breathing. The jurors should have some authority to revoke the right of appeal in cases as disgusting as these.

I can agree with the wood chipper statement. Provided it is administered over the course of 6 months with medical staff on hand to sew up the pieces there were chewed up so they dont bleed to death quickly.

96Phoenix Trial - Page 4 Empty Re: Phoenix Trial Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:57 pm

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Deank wrote:
grumpyrom wrote:Wood chipper is what these 2 deserve. They should be glad they are still breathing. The jurors should have some authority to revoke the right of appeal in cases as disgusting as these.

I can agree with the wood chipper statement. Provided it is administered over the course of 6 months with medical staff on hand to sew up the pieces there were chewed up so they dont bleed to death quickly.

have you had the chance to see the movie "Ganster #1
Phoenix Trial - Page 4 Gangster_No_1

The scene where he beats the guy near to death, then keeps reviving him so he can see the beating he is taking.

LOL, love that scene. that is what those 2 people need.

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97Phoenix Trial - Page 4 Empty Re: Phoenix Trial Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:09 pm

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This case sickens me....I cannot even believe that they are back in court. They should be executed.

98Phoenix Trial - Page 4 Empty Re: Phoenix Trial Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:20 pm

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no I never did see that movie. might have to look it up.

gonna take a while to call in this favor... it might be easier for me to just talk to these people and advise them to drop their case.

99Phoenix Trial - Page 4 Empty Re: Phoenix Trial Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:08 pm

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I am gob smacked that some arsehole lawyer has the audacity to actually take their case to appeal. Part of the arugment is that the door was not locked and that Phoenix could have come out of the basement any time, so it was not a case of forcible confinement.

100Phoenix Trial - Page 4 Empty Re: Phoenix Trial Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:15 pm

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Freeman wrote:I am gob smacked that some arsehole lawyer has the audacity to actually take their case to appeal. Part of the arugment is that the door was not locked and that Phoenix could have come out of the basement any time, so it was not a case of forcible confinement.
I'm not sure I'd use that description of the lawyer ( considering I know one of them - and her is far from it - more community minded than most defense attorneys in this town)
That's the problem with being a criminal lawyer - how do you build your business ? High profile cases. Unfortunately the high profile cases are also sometimes the most offensive.
That being said, and with the facts as they have been reported by the media, I think his argument that the child could have chosen to be in the basement given the testimony of the mother and the evidence of abuse is very weak. Judge should have tossed it.
I'm concerned that the judge reserving his decision means an increased possibility that the appeal might be successful.

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101Phoenix Trial - Page 4 Empty Re: Phoenix Trial Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:01 am

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Or perhaps the judge is making it look like ample time was used for thining about it so that his ruling is not simply overturned on yet another appeal.

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