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1Zionism For Dummies Empty Zionism For Dummies Thu Oct 08, 2009 10:31 pm

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More spin on the Israel-Palestinian issue. True or false? Who knows?
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ZIONISM FOR DUMMIES
09/08/2009

By William James Martin
http://www.palestinechronicle.com/view_article_details.php?id=15406

In pondering the Israeli-Palestinian conflict I have found that very few people
actually have a basic understanding of the conflict nor could they define it in
even rough approximating terms.

Thus one sometines hears that it is all about Arab/Palestinian `terrorism' and
suicide bombings and the ultimate goal of the terrorists-Palestinians is to
`push all the Jews into the sea, dead or alive" and that their motives are those
of anti-Semitism and hatred of Jews. Those who hold this view see the conflict
as one of the survival of the Jewish state amid a sea of irrational hatred.That
is the view of the Zionists, and the one they would like for the world to
accept.
One also hears that the conflict is a religious one between Jews and Arabs and
that it has been continuous for `thousands of years'.

Neither is correct.

The first Palestinian suicide bombing occurred in 1994, 40 days after the
massacre by the Brooklyn native Baruch Goldstein of 29 praying Muslims at the Al
Ibrahim Mosque in Hebron. The '67 War and the Israeli occupation of the West
Bank, East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip was 25 years old at that time. Thus an
entire generation of Palestinians had grown to maturity knowing nothing but
occupation before the first suicide bomber struck.

The phrase, "push all the Jews into the sea, dead or alive", can be traced to a
1961 speech to the Knesset delivered by Prime Minister David Ben Gurion. This
apparently was the first use of this phrase by a significant political
personality, and thus, for all intents and purposes, the phrase has a Jewish and
not an Arab origin. The propagation of this emotional phrase throughout the
Israeli-Palestinian debate has its source the Israeli Prime Minister himself.
(See 'Who is Pushing Whom into the Sea'?
http://www.counterpunch.org/martin03112005.html )

The view that the conflict is religious and that it has been ongoing for
thousands of years is inaccurate. For approximately 2000 years Jews and Arabs
enjoyed a harmonious relation, and for four hundred years up until World War I,
as citizens of the Ottoman empire with equal rights. Indeed, Jews enjoyed high
government position within the Ottoman Empire.

Change occurred in 1896 with the publication of Theodore Herzl's book, The
Jewish State, in which Herzl propounded the idea of inevitability, immutability,
permanence, and omnipresence of anti-Semitism and argued that the only solution
was a separate state for Jews.

Herzl's understanding of the inevitability of anti-Semitism was possibly self
fulfilling, for rather that opposing anti-Semitism in the first half of the 20th
century, the Zionists found common cause with Hitler, Eichmann and the Nazis and
used anti-Semitism and Nazism as a means of achieving their end which was the
establishment of a Jewish state. The two reactionary movements shared the view
that German Jews were living there as a `foreign race' and that the racial
divide was essential to maintain. (Historian Lenny Brenner has written three
excellent books on the Zionists-Nazi collaboration.) The Zionist's use of Nazism
involved, among other things, the blocking of avenues of escape to other
countries of Europe's Jews and diverting them to Palestine, even as the death
trains began to roll in Europe. The rise of Nazism and Hitler to power was
never, or almost never, opposed by the Zionist prior to the establishment of
Israel.

History might have been very different had the Zionists component of Jewry
opposed Nazism and there might never have been a Holocaust. And there might
never have been a state of Israel, as many of the Zionists well understood.

Lenni Brenner puts it:

… of all of the active Jewish opponents of the boycott idea [of Nazi Germany],
the most important was the world Zionists Organization (WZO). It not only bought
German wares; it sold them, and even sought out new customers for Hitler and his
industrialist backers.

The WZO saw Hitler's victory in much the same way as its German affiliate, the
ZVfD [the German Zionist Organization]: not primarily as a defeat for all Jewry,
but as positive proof of the bankruptcy of assimilation and liberalism.'
[Brenner, Zionism in the Age of Dictators
http://www.amazon.com/Zionism-Age-Dictators-Lenni-Brenner/dp/0882081632
] Zionist collaboration with the Nazis, as well as with the Fascists and
Mussolini is a deep and extensive topic and must be abandoned here.

Though a region of Argentina as well as Ethiopia were considered by Herzl,
Palestine was the site for which there was the greatest consensus. Of the
indigenous Palestinians, of which there were about a million at the time living
in Palestine, he said:

"[We shall] spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it
employment. Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must
be carried out discreetly and circumspectly."

Thus the concept of the ethnic cleansing of Palestine by Zionism was introduced.
It is not rocket science. If you want to create a state exclusively of European
Jews in the heart of the Middle East, you must first get rid of the Arabs.

Herzl went on the found the World Zionists Organization, whose intent was to
establish a Jewish state in Palestine and to make itself into proto-government
from which the actual state government would seamlessly emerge upon the
establishment of the Jewish state.

Though the world seems not to understand the intent of the Zionist program,
there was no misunderstanding among the Zionists themselves.

In his 1923 book, The Iron Wall, Vladimir Jabotinsky, founder to the
"Revisionists" wing of Zionism, wrote:

"There can be no discussion of voluntary reconciliation between the Arabs, not
now and not in the foreseeable future. All well-meaning people, with the
exception of those blind from birth, understood long ago the complete
impossibility of arriving at a voluntary agreement with the Arabs of Palestine
for the transformation of Palestine from an Arab country to a country with a
Jewish majority.

"Any native people view their country as their national home, of which they will
be the complete masters. They will never voluntarily allow a new master. So it
is for the Arabs. Compromisers among us try to convince us that the Arabs are
some kind of fools who can be tricked with hidden formulations of our basic
goals. I flatly refuse to accept this view of the Palestinian Arabs.

"The Palestinians will struggle in this way until there is hardly a spark of
hope....it matters not what kind of words we use to explain our colonization.
Colonization has its own integral and inescapable meaning understood by every
Jew and every Arab. Colonization has only one goal. This is in the nature of
things. To change that nature is impossible. It has been necessary to carry on
colonization against the will of the Palestinian Arabs and the same conditions
exist now.

"A voluntary agreement is inconceivable. All colonization, even the most
restricted, must continue in defiance of the will of the native population.
Therefore, it can continue and develop only under the shield of force which
comprises an Iron Wall which the local population can never break through. This
is our Arab policy. To formulate it any other way would be hypocrisy.

"Whether through the Balfour Declaration or the Mandate, external force is a
necessity for the establishing in the country conditions of rule and defense
through which the local population, regardless of what it wishes, will be
deprived of the possibility of impeding our colonization, administratively or
physically. Force must play its role – with strength and without indulgence. In
this, there are no meaningful differences between our militarists and our
vegetarians. One prefers an Iron Wall of Jewish bayonets; the other an Iron Wall
of English bayonets.

"If you wish to colonize a land in which people are already living, you must
provide a garrison for that land,… . Or else? Or else, give up your
colonization, for without an armed force which will render physically impossible
any attempt to destroy or prevent this colonization, colonization is impossible.
Zionism is a colonization adventure and there fore it stands or it falls by the
question of armed force. It is important to speak Hebrew but, unfortunately, it
is even more important to be able to shoot – or else I am through with playing
at colonization.

"To the hackneyed reproach that this point is unethical, I answer – absolutely
untrue. This is our ethic. There is no other ethic. As long as there is the
faintest spark of hope for the Arabs to impede us, they will not sell these
hopes – not for any sweet words not for any tasty morsel. Because this (the
Palestinians) is not a rabble but a people, a living people. And no people makes
such enormous concessions on such fateful questions, except when there is no
hope left, until we have removed every opening visible in the Iron Wall."

The `Revisionists' advocated the revision of the British Mandate for Palestine
to include the east bank of the Jordan, now the state of Jordan, as well as the
west bank, the Jordan River forming the eastern boundary of the mandate at that
time. The `Revisionist' transformed over time into the present day Likud party,
the right wing party of Menachem Begin, who regarded Zabotinsky as his model and
philosophical father, of Yitzchak Shamir, who became the leader of the
Revisionists at the time of Zabotinsky's death, of Ariel Sharon, and of Benjamin
Netanyahu.

Thus in 1937, Ben Gurion stated:

"The compulsory transfer of Arabs from the valleys of the proposed Jewish state
could give us something which we never had, even when we stood on our own feet
during the days of the First and Second Temple."

And in a letter to his son, also in 1937, he stated:

"We must expel the Arabs and take their places and if we have to use force, to
guarantee our own right to settle in those places then we have force at our
disposal."

And in early 1948 Ben Gurion wrote in his War Diary,

"During the assault we must be ready to strike the decisive blow; that is,
either to destroy the towns or expel its inhabitants so our people can replace
them."

And in February 1948, Ben Gurion told Yoseph Weitz, director of the settlement
of the Jewish National Fund and head of the official Transfer Committee of 1948:

"The war will give us land. The concept of 'ours' and 'not ours' are peace
concepts, only, in war they lose their whole meaning."

And in 1940, Joseph Weitz, who was head of land purchasing for the World Jewish
Organization, and head of one of several `transfer committees' (committees to
study ways of transferring the Arabs from Palestine) wrote:

"Between ourselves it must be clear that here is no room for both peoples
together in this country. We shall not achieve our goal if the Arabs are in this
country. There is no other way than to transfer the Arabs from here to
neighboring countries – all of them. Not one village, not one tribe, should be
left."

And in 1983, Raphael Eytan, then chief of staff of the Israeli Defence Forces,
said,

"We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter
of Eretz Israel …Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the
ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours….When we
have settled the land, all the Arab will be able to do will be to scurry around
like drugged cockroaches in a bottle."

Exactly why the indigenous people of Palestine do not have right to live on the
land of their and their ancestors births, or why the colonial European Jews have
this right, Mr. Eytan is silent.

And in 2002. Moshe Yaalon, chief of staff of the Israeli Defense Force, said,

"The Palestinians must be made to understand in the deepest recesses of their
consciousness that they are a defeated people."

Between the time that Israel declared itself a state in May of 1948 and the
summer of 2005, Israel killed 50,000 Palestinians, according to Israeli
Historian Ilan Pappe. And since October of The latter figure averages to about 2
Palestinians killed per day by Israel (1.932, by my calculation.) 2000, Israel
has killed 6348 Palestinians, according to the web site, "If American Knew".

One thing is certain: Israel is not the victim, as it is constantly screaming,
but the victimizer.
What then is the conflict all about? What is the theme that runs through the
entire history of Zionism?
It is about the ongoing program of Zionism to destroy the Palestinians as a
people and to assume possession of their ancestral land.

There are Zionists who would settle for a two state solution and a withdrawal of
the Israel presence to the 1967 borders allowing a mini-Palestinian state on the
remaining 22% of Palestine. But the reality on the ground is that Israel has
expanded beyond the point of retreat with 300,000 settlers in the West Bank,
183,000 in East Jerusalem, as of this writing, with 200 or more settlements in
the West Bank some twice the size of Manhattan containing their own, schools,
universities, shopping malls and the billions of dollars of invested
infrastructure, both private and public, and a segregated, for-Jews-only,
highway system, 300 miles long, cutting up the West Bank with Palestinians
imprisoned between these disjoint concrete and asphalt barriers.

But whatever the views of these moderate Zionists, who call for contraction to
the '67 borders, the dynamics of Israel is and has always been expansion. The
centrifugal forces pushing the expansion are multivaried and complicated. They
are religious, they are military, they are for want of security, they are from
want of power for its own sake, but they are persistent and they have an entire
century of momentum and a century of Zionism on the move.
What the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is all about then is the destruction of
the Palestinian people and their evacuation and the complete takeover of
Palestine to the Jordan River by the Jewish state. And what hangs win the
balance is whether or not the Palestinians will be destroyed and eliminated as a
people with a distinct culture and history and with an attachment to the land of
their birth and their parent's and ancestor's births.

- William James Martin teaches in the Department of Mathematics at the
University of New Orleans.

2Zionism For Dummies Empty Re: Zionism For Dummies Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:33 am

rosencrentz

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Way too much to read! Let us leave it at that we will kill you and you will kill us!
And everyone from areas far away will criticise and do very little, because that is the way the whols damn World is! Man killing Man!
That is normal!
What isn't normal is Man getting along with man except in Canada and a very few other areas!

http://www.elansofas.com

3Zionism For Dummies Empty Re: Zionism For Dummies Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:11 am

Miz point

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and what was the purpose of posting that Triniman? Your homophobia and anti-semitism is GETTING ON MY MOFO NERVES.....those of us who are joos on dis for-um are already plotting your imminent demise because you have proven that if you reproduce you will not be contributing to the greater good of Earth.

Get real, get bent and get knowledge. Not all of us jews are rich nor inclined to take over certain parts of the world.

http://www.granhotelflores.blogspot.com

4Zionism For Dummies Empty Re: Zionism For Dummies Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:44 am

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Trini starts his post off with "More spin on the Israel-Palestinian issue. True or false? Who knows?"

and MizP calls him an anti-semite? I don't get it. If he had stated "Here's proof of the Jewish genocide of Palestinian's" I could see her point. But for posting an fairly informative point that happens to shed some light on the Zionist movement prior to the founding of the state of Israel, and claiming from the start not to know if it's true or not?

Someone seems a bit touchy today. I found it to be an interesting read.

5Zionism For Dummies Empty Re: Zionism For Dummies Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:53 am

LivingDead

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grumpyrom wrote:Trini starts his post off with "More spin on the Israel-Palestinian issue. True or false? Who knows?"

and MizP calls him an anti-semite? I don't get it. If he had stated "Here's proof of the Jewish genocide of Palestinian's" I could see her point. But for posting an fairly informative point that happens to shed some light on the Zionist movement prior to the founding of the state of Israel, and claiming from the start not to know if it's true or not?

Someone seems a bit touchy today. I found it to be an interesting read.

Agreed. wow I agree with you on something. weird.

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare

6Zionism For Dummies Empty Re: Zionism For Dummies Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:59 am

Deank

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oh oh.... those moon crashings might have done somethign... I think I best get home lock the door and prepare for the worst

7Zionism For Dummies Empty Re: Zionism For Dummies Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:16 am

grumpyrom

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LivingDead wrote:
grumpyrom wrote:Trini starts his post off with "More spin on the Israel-Palestinian issue. True or false? Who knows?"

and MizP calls him an anti-semite? I don't get it. If he had stated "Here's proof of the Jewish genocide of Palestinian's" I could see her point. But for posting an fairly informative point that happens to shed some light on the Zionist movement prior to the founding of the state of Israel, and claiming from the start not to know if it's true or not?

Someone seems a bit touchy today. I found it to be an interesting read.

Agreed. wow I agree with you on something. weird.

LMFAO....you might be a wee bit commie....:-P

8Zionism For Dummies Empty Re: Zionism For Dummies Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:27 am

LivingDead

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grumpyrom wrote:
LivingDead wrote:
grumpyrom wrote:Trini starts his post off with "More spin on the Israel-Palestinian issue. True or false? Who knows?"

and MizP calls him an anti-semite? I don't get it. If he had stated "Here's proof of the Jewish genocide of Palestinian's" I could see her point. But for posting an fairly informative point that happens to shed some light on the Zionist movement prior to the founding of the state of Israel, and claiming from the start not to know if it's true or not?

Someone seems a bit touchy today. I found it to be an interesting read.

Agreed. wow I agree with you on something. weird.

LMFAO....you might be a wee bit commie....:-P

Zionism For Dummies Lol Sorry. Not a commie cell in my body.

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare

9Zionism For Dummies Empty Re: Zionism For Dummies Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:35 am

Miz point

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grumpyrom wrote:Trini starts his post off with "More spin on the Israel-Palestinian issue. True or false? Who knows?"

and MizP calls him an anti-semite? I don't get it. If he had stated "Here's proof of the Jewish genocide of Palestinian's" I could see her point. But for posting an fairly informative point that happens to shed some light on the Zionist movement prior to the founding of the state of Israel, and claiming from the start not to know if it's true or not?

Someone seems a bit touchy today. I found it to be an interesting read.

Yep.......he has espoused a great deal of anti semitism over certain issues....and homophobia.....I have tolerated it, even laughed from time to time but I am getting really tired of certain theories being bandied about......sorry but this has shite to do with the friggin moon or being a chick or whatever lame BS comes up......some of you guys on here are very anti semetic, misogynistic and homophobic.....


BTW WTF reason did Obama get the Nobel for again???? Still scratching my head on that one....sorry gotta run now and call my American Jewish Lawyer so I can sue my American publisher for breach of contract....

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10Zionism For Dummies Empty Re: Zionism For Dummies Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:41 am

Deank

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"anti semetic"
one of the most racist words I have ever heard

11Zionism For Dummies Empty Re: Zionism For Dummies Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:52 am

Miz point

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And why pray tell is that word racist????? Please enlighten this Jew.

http://www.granhotelflores.blogspot.com

12Zionism For Dummies Empty Re: Zionism For Dummies Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:57 am

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FYI:

Jews, Arabs, Ethiopians, Assyrians are all Semitic. I find it weird that people call Arabs anti-Semitic.

I know the term anti-semitic or antisemitism is used to describe the prejudice against persons of the Jewish faith.

Miz Point. The whole Palestine/Israel issue is a touchy one for both sides of the argument. The worst thing people can do is to ignore it.

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare

13Zionism For Dummies Empty Re: Zionism For Dummies Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:02 pm

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Agreed LivingDead. But triniman has posted far too many veiled comments about Jews for it to be just an interesting discussion point.

14Zionism For Dummies Empty Re: Zionism For Dummies Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:02 pm

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Miz point wrote:And why pray tell is that word racist????? Please enlighten this Jew.

why do you "GET" a specific word to show racism/prejudice? It sets "you" above others by making you special

(term you used not as you.. but as you... you know?)

15Zionism For Dummies Empty Re: Zionism For Dummies Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:16 pm

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I speak for most moderates, and those that aren't moderates!
When I look at the USA, I see them as the most agressive country in the worl. They operate on the basis that might is right, and Israel just copies them.
Israel will protect its interests and you know what, so will North Korea, China, Russia, and Iran.
Who cares who is killing whom these days? It is the same all over the world, only with differing results.
The good thing is it is the weak, the sick, the poor, are the ones generally being killed, and there are way too many of those around.
There are way too many poor people, with no hope and life expectancy of 46 or less, because the King for Life has taken all the money and put it into his own bank account.

When all Canadians have a good home, healthy food, and a guaranteed income, and a job that allows them to provide for their family, then we could turn some of our wealth to others.
Sunnis versus Tunnis? Stupid Mankind, without the "Kind"!

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16Zionism For Dummies Empty Re: Zionism For Dummies Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:21 pm

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No, Dean, I do not know.....but I do know and remember all too well being beaten up by mennonite kids because of my heritage and my family is/was secular.....really nice to be told at the age of ten that one should have been gassed and burned.....really nice to read about how we as Jews are involved in conspiracies and such and are horrible because of Palestine.

Hey, I am not happy about the Palestinian situation nor happy with some of the Gestapo tactics that Mossad has used but they, the Israelis, are no worse than the Americans when it comes to hypocrisy and skullduggery.

http://www.granhotelflores.blogspot.com

17Zionism For Dummies Empty Re: Zionism For Dummies Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:26 pm

Deank

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and I got in to fights for simply being white. I dont insist that because I am white and they were not that they were being antiMeite. I just call them racist. I dont specifically label myself as being superior enough to have my own word for racism against me.

18Zionism For Dummies Empty Re: Zionism For Dummies Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:40 pm

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Miz point wrote:.....those of us who are joos on dis for-um are already plotting your imminent demise because you have proven that if you reproduce you will not be contributing to the greater good of Earth.



that is called a death threat.
why is this person still allowed to post here?

19Zionism For Dummies Empty Re: Zionism For Dummies Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:48 pm

Miz point

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No it is called a warped sense of humour and irony. Since when did you, one of the biggest idiots to post on this forum, become so f*cking PC?

http://www.granhotelflores.blogspot.com

20Zionism For Dummies Empty Re: Zionism For Dummies Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:53 pm

Miz point

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LivingDead wrote:FYI:

Jews, Arabs, Ethiopians, Assyrians are all Semitic. I find it weird that people call Arabs anti-Semitic.

I know the term anti-semitic or antisemitism is used to describe the prejudice against persons of the Jewish faith.

Miz Point. The whole Palestine/Israel issue is a touchy one for both sides of the argument. The worst thing people can do is to ignore it.

I agree with you. Folks should have listened to T.E. Lawrence.

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21Zionism For Dummies Empty Re: Zionism For Dummies Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:56 pm

Miz point

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grumpy old man wrote:Agreed LivingDead. But triniman has posted far too many veiled comments about Jews for it to be just an interesting discussion point.

Thank you for saying that for it was not my intent to be an asswipe here.

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22Zionism For Dummies Empty Re: Zionism For Dummies Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:15 pm

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Miz point wrote:
Hey, I am not happy about the Palestinian situation nor happy with some of the Gestapo tactics that Mossad has used but they, the Israelis, are no worse than the Americans when it comes to hypocrisy and skullduggery.
Yahweh:

"And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them." (Deuteronomy 7:2)

"Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass" (1 Samuel 15:3)


George Bush: 

"I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.'
 And I did, and then God would tell me, 'George go and end the tyranny in Iraq,' and I did."

"And now again I feel God's words coming to me: 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East.' And by God, I'm gonna do it."

Who are we to question the divine?

23Zionism For Dummies Empty Re: Zionism For Dummies Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:05 pm

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incognito wrote:
Miz point wrote:
Hey, I am not happy about the Palestinian situation nor happy with some of the Gestapo tactics that Mossad has used but they, the Israelis, are no worse than the Americans when it comes to hypocrisy and skullduggery.
Yahweh:

"And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them." (Deuteronomy 7:2)

"Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass" (1 Samuel 15:3)


George Bush:

"I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.'
And I did, and then God would tell me, 'George go and end the tyranny in Iraq,' and I did."

"And now again I feel God's words coming to me: 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East.' And by God, I'm gonna do it."

Who are we to question the divine?

And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, "O Lord,
bless this thy hand grenade, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies
to tiny bits, in thy mercy." And the Lord did grin. And the people did
feast upon the lambs and sloths, and carp and anchovies, and orangutans
and breakfast cereals, and fruit-bats and large chu...

Skip a bit, Brother...


And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin.
Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the
number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three.
Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou
then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being
the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade
of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff
it.

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24Zionism For Dummies Empty Re: Zionism For Dummies Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:09 pm

Miz point

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the holy hand grenade

"It's only a rabbit"...

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25Zionism For Dummies Empty Re: Zionism For Dummies Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:16 pm

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Like I said: Who are we to question the divine? Praise [insert favourite deity here] and pass the ammo.

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