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..... aims to ensure that, by 2020, 10 per cent of all journeys in Scotland are by bike.
grumpy old man wrote:Yes, have the cops chase down unlicensed toddlers. AND, make them carry insurance too.
Look, the cyclists want fair access. They want dedicated lanes. Let them pay just as the motorists pay. Frick em. Fair is fair.
Interesting, but flawed response.grumpy old man wrote:Yes, have the cops chase down unlicensed toddlers. AND, make them carry insurance too.
Look, the cyclists want fair access. They want dedicated lanes. Let them pay just as the motorists pay. Frick em. Fair is fair.
But how many car/bike accidents are the result of the actions of the cyclist? I don't have the stats, but my guess would be that drivers are responsible for many more bike/car accidents than bicycle riders are. And what are the consequences of these actions? If a cyclist gets into an accident with a car, who is going to get hurt? There is no physical risk of injury for the driver. The costs to the cyclist are much, much greater.LivingDead wrote:grumpy old man wrote:Yes, have the cops chase down unlicensed toddlers. AND, make them carry insurance too.
Look, the cyclists want fair access. They want dedicated lanes. Let them pay just as the motorists pay. Frick em. Fair is fair.
I like the idea of making them carry insurance. If one of them hits my car and scratches it they should pay. Like you say... Fair is Fair.
LivingDead wrote:grumpy old man wrote:Yes, have the cops chase down unlicensed toddlers. AND, make them carry insurance too.
Look, the cyclists want fair access. They want dedicated lanes. Let them pay just as the motorists pay. Frick em. Fair is fair.
I like the idea of making them carry insurance. If one of them hits my car and scratches it they should pay. Like you say... Fair is Fair.
St Norberter wrote:But how many car/bike accidents are the result of the actions of the cyclist? I don't have the stats, but my guess would be that drivers are responsible for many more bike/car accidents than bicycle riders are. And what are the consequences of these actions? If a cyclist gets into an accident with a car, who is going to get hurt? There is no physical risk of injury for the driver. The costs to the cyclist are much, much greater.LivingDead wrote:grumpy old man wrote:Yes, have the cops chase down unlicensed toddlers. AND, make them carry insurance too.
Look, the cyclists want fair access. They want dedicated lanes. Let them pay just as the motorists pay. Frick em. Fair is fair.
I like the idea of making them carry insurance. If one of them hits my car and scratches it they should pay. Like you say... Fair is Fair.
Insurance, sure. But if you want it to be fair and representative, then a) it will cost the cyclist about $20/year, and there won't be any liability limits for the cyclist, so make sure as a driver you are carrying a minimum of $5 million liability.
St Norberter wrote:What does a pedestrian have to do with a cyclist scratching your car?
St Norberter wrote:What does a pedestrian have to do with a cyclist scratching your car?
grumpy old man wrote:St Norberter wrote:What does a pedestrian have to do with a cyclist scratching your car?
You're being very coy this afternoon aren't you?
Please open up thy mind for this debate... Or so help me I'll go all zander on your ass...
Miz point wrote:How many pedestrians are injured or killed by motorists???? I would hazard a guess and say a damned sight more than are injured or killed by cyclists.
Miz point wrote:I will pay when motorists realize that I too have to follow the same rules, am given the same courtesies when signalling a lane change so I can f*cking turn without getting killed, am not run over by buses in lanes where it is clearly marked that i too have priority, am not yelled at to get on the sidewalk where i belong by idiot motorists....my list of complaints is long.....I follow the rules almost slavishly and many times I have been injured by thoughtless motorists who when clearly in the wrong still choose to rebuke me.....I will pay when there are more bike trails....
We have been asking for decent trails for well over thirty years.....yesterday's announcement elicited a whoop de do response from me...should have been done years ago.....
LivingDead wrote:St Norberter wrote:What does a pedestrian have to do with a cyclist scratching your car?
Insurance. Cyclists need insurance and they need to follow the laws of the road. Think about it. MPI has crazy rates for motorcyclists. The rates for non-powed cycles should be frigging astronomical if you use MPI's though processes.
So if a cyclist scratches my car, they must pay. But how would I know the guys name if he takes off. if he had a license plate then I could jot down the number and he would get charged with leave the scene of an accident.
grumpy old man wrote:Miz point wrote:How many pedestrians are injured or killed by motorists???? I would hazard a guess and say a damned sight more than are injured or killed by cyclists.
So what? What has that to do with the price of tea in China.
Please go away and do extensive research. Discover how many motorists and cyclists are on the streets. Then calculate how many cyclists are killed by motorists. Then do the exact same math with pedestrians and cyclists.
Then do the same math but include the calculations of cyclists that are killed by motorists that are the cyclists fault. Then do the same with pedestrians and cyclists.
See ya in a couple days.
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