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you say you want school tax removed from property...

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wooopteedoo...1.2 is so much more than 1 eh? Point's the same.

FlyingRat

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point's moot, since not everyone is in school!

grumpy old man

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Ahhh, yeah. 20% more. But thanks JTF. That really contributed.

Deank

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PROVINCIAL SUMMARY
Public Schools: 686
Elementary Schools: 623
Secondary Schools: 319
English Schools: 632
French Immersion Schools: 99
Français Schools: 29
Heritage Languages Bilingual Schools: 23
Total Number of Teachers: 13,029
Total Enrolment: 180,098

AGEsAces

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Wow...so close to 1M Wink

http://www.photage.ca

Deank

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seems to me that is a perfectly reasonable amount of people for one school board of 18 to manage... IF their jobs were full time.

grumpy old man

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Wow, who'd a thunk there were that many schools in Manitoba? Maybe we have too many schools too?

Deank

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well if you look at some of the numbers in some of the schools, definately..
http://www.edu.gov.mb.ca/k12/schools/2009_mb_schools_book.pdf

but you cant neccessarily look at the number in absence of how far away the next closest school would be.

Look at Ecole Jours De Plaine. 6 teachers.. 26 kids. but its not like it there are other French Schools close by

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Seems like way too many schools. Are any counted twice in the above numbers?

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Deank wrote:well if you look at some of the numbers in some of the schools, definately..
http://www.edu.gov.mb.ca/k12/schools/2009_mb_schools_book.pdf

but you cant neccessarily look at the number in absence of how far away the next closest school would be.

Look at Ecole Jours De Plaine. 6 teachers.. 26 kids. but its not like it there are other French Schools close by

Whoa!! We have a school for 26 kids??? WTF is wrong with that picture?

Deank

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french school

See now thats what does not make a lot of sense right? Wouldn't the upkeep on a totally seperate school not be warranted? And 6 teachers? That must be including partial numbers right? ie they only teach one class a day and thats all they get paid for???

grumpy old man

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That is the problem with a fully bilingual agenda in this Province. That falls under "nice to have" but not necessary.

I'm all for French education, especially French Immersion, but where it makes sense logistics wise.

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It's becoming easy to see where a hellava lot of money can be saved in our 'education' budget.

Why the hell can't the government see it?

Deank

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Because as other peeps have stated on here.. you cant change the education system without being accused of attacking the children.

Only way to do it is 3 months after winning an election, make the massive changes needed, then you have 4 year before next election for it to be shown the kids are in fact better off.

FlyingRat

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okay, what about this:

OPTION 1: quit funding a french school with 26 kids and 6 teachers.
OPTION 2: tell the french community they need to procreate and grow into a population making it more worthwhile to run the school.

Which is the lesser of 2 evils?! Wink

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AGEsAces wrote:
Freeman wrote:The French thing may be unneeded, but it is law.

it's the law to have the program...not to have the board.

One board can handle both program....just make sure a couple people on the board can speak french.

No, its actually the law to have a separate school system. THis was one of the deals when Manitoba entered Confederation. It is common to have separate Catholic school boards and many cities have them. Its not that I agree, its just the way it is.

Triniman

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Should the law be changed?

Deank

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exactly we change the law. That simple.

Deank

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FlyingRat wrote:okay, what about this:

OPTION 1: quit funding a french school with 26 kids and 6 teachers.
OPTION 2: tell the french community they need to procreate and grow into a population making it more worthwhile to run the school.

Which is the lesser of 2 evils?! Wink
hmmmm.....dumber french people or .more hot french chicks? I say go with option 2

AGEsAces

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Apparently...Manitoba isn't much different than NJ after all.

I found this while looking for the French Board law.

http://www.edu.gov.mb.ca/k12/docs/fr_imm_handbook/chap_4.pdf

It basically says there is an overseeing body that manages all the school boards.

That doesn't address the issue of having so many Divisions...but it does indicate they all answer to one governing body.

http://www.photage.ca

Freeman

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Perhaps. The compromise was to provide public funding to private "Catholic" schools at a lesser rate than to the actual public school system. Thats why St Marys Academy and St Pauls receive public money. It was felt that that would be the more economical solution to the issue. This goes all the way back to the Manitoba Act which created the province and provided separate schools for the French-Catholics. Hard to undue it at this point.

Freeman

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The Province is the authority for education and the law provides for local school boards, its just that its gone out of control, particulary in Winnipeg with so many people, schools, students concentrated in one area. One school board is all that is required for Winnipeg.

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Manitoba's school boards are arranged to meet the needs of the community, so that Louis Riel's policies can address the French population, WSD can address inner city and Aboriginal needs, etc.

It would save money to amalgamate divisions but it would have a lot of other consequences.

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What do you think would be the down-side?

grumpy old man

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Trouble is where do we draw the line at meeting the needs of the community? The French community is very small. What if the Chinese community demanded equity? The Italian community? The gay and lesbian community?

I understand we are a bilingual country. But maybe we need to reconsider given the greater overall need of a community that can't really afford this school board duplication/redundancy...

Freeman

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The reality is that the French thing is law, a Manitoba law for that matter.

Sorry Anny, but schools are there to teach, not be social workers. God knows we already pay enough for those services. If the school system is so into rescuing people, who's supposed to be teaching our kids.

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