so how would you raise the same amount of money then?
Increased income tax? increased PST? What?
Increased income tax? increased PST? What?
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you say you want school tax removed from property...
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1 you say you want school tax removed from property... Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:26 pm
Deank
contributor eminence
2 Re: you say you want school tax removed from property... Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:31 pm
FlyingRat
moderator
lower edumacation standards! 
3 Re: you say you want school tax removed from property... Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:54 pm
AdamX
contributor
cut bloated beauracracies and administration on the boards and put that money into the frontline staff and students who actually need it.
4 Re: you say you want school tax removed from property... Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:56 pm
Deank
contributor eminence
AdamX wrote:cut bloated beauracracies and administration on the boards and put that money into the frontline staff and students who actually need it.
well yeah.. but... where are you getting that money from since we are no longer taxing property to get it?
"Everyone" complains that its on the propery tax bill ...but few realize that removing it will just make it a "hidden" tax.
5 Re: you say you want school tax removed from property... Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:04 pm
Guest
Guest
It's not hidden at all. It would come from the provincial portion of your income tax.
I think Bjornson is moving toward recinding the taxing powers of the school boards, especially after the WSD 1 more or less, told him to fcuk himself, and that they were going to raise taxes this year dipite his views.
I think Bjornson is moving toward recinding the taxing powers of the school boards, especially after the WSD 1 more or less, told him to fcuk himself, and that they were going to raise taxes this year dipite his views.
6 Re: you say you want school tax removed from property... Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:09 pm
Deank
contributor eminence
Seems to me that putting it into income tax would make it 100% hidden.
7 Re: you say you want school tax removed from property... Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:21 pm
Guest
Guest
Huh? You don't know how much you pay or, see/know that you pay income tax?
8 Re: you say you want school tax removed from property... Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:24 pm
Deank
contributor eminence
i know exactly what I pay in income tax... translating that to what is spent on... education, or healthcare or... whatever gets a little more difficult. Can you imagine how many people would be yelling and screaming about the Nurses always being 3rd highest paid if every time it happened they saw a direct result on their property tax?
Making things hidden into the income tax makes people care less as they dont immediatley notice it as much.
Making things hidden into the income tax makes people care less as they dont immediatley notice it as much.
9 Re: you say you want school tax removed from property... Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:10 pm
grumpy old man
administrator
Take that logic and create multiple tax deductions making everything visible:
Instead of income tax = $100
Health tax: $20
Education tax: $20
Infrastructure tax: $20
Tax a: $20
Tax b: $10
Tax c: $5
Evil Doer legacy tax: $5
Instead of income tax = $100
Health tax: $20
Education tax: $20
Infrastructure tax: $20
Tax a: $20
Tax b: $10
Tax c: $5
Evil Doer legacy tax: $5
10 Re: you say you want school tax removed from property... Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:10 am
Freeman
uber-contributor
I agree that the school tax should be removed from the property tax. Its just a sham to disguise who is collecting the tax.
This is something that the NDP should get onto right away. Afterall, if anyone can come up with a new scheme to tax the sh1t out of us, it has to be the NDP.
This is something that the NDP should get onto right away. Afterall, if anyone can come up with a new scheme to tax the sh1t out of us, it has to be the NDP.
11 Re: you say you want school tax removed from property... Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:17 am
Triniman
general-contributor
aka "Rights Museum tax"grumpy old man wrote:Evil Doer legacy tax: $5
12 Re: you say you want school tax removed from property... Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:48 am
AGEsAces
moderator
I think the school system needs to be restructured before you worry about the taxes.
There's how many "Divisions" in Winnipeg? and why? There should be 1 Division that covers the entire area inside the Perimeter. That knocks out a bunch of School Boards, trustees, etc. Won't have to raise school taxes again for a decade from that alone.
It will also help improve the less fortunate schools, as now they would all be able to be improved to the same level. Salaries would stabilize.
Perhaps even go so far as to build 1/2 a dozen "mega-schools", instead of maintaining nearly 200 little ones.
There's how many "Divisions" in Winnipeg? and why? There should be 1 Division that covers the entire area inside the Perimeter. That knocks out a bunch of School Boards, trustees, etc. Won't have to raise school taxes again for a decade from that alone.
It will also help improve the less fortunate schools, as now they would all be able to be improved to the same level. Salaries would stabilize.
Perhaps even go so far as to build 1/2 a dozen "mega-schools", instead of maintaining nearly 200 little ones.
13 Re: you say you want school tax removed from property... Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:59 am
Freeman
uber-contributor
Restructuring of the school system is definitely needed. No one can tell me that a 2 school boards for all of Winnipeg will consume considerably less $ for administration and bureacracy. (By law, we still need an English and French school system)
One of the biggest games is that each division negotiates union contracts separately. So they continually play off each other. Having all these separate divisions makes no sense whatsoever. People also forget that school divisions have the authority to levy taxes, which they do, quite liberally and without regard for us poor pricks that have to pay them. I am so tired of these commie bastards hiding behind my children and using them as pawns.
One of the biggest games is that each division negotiates union contracts separately. So they continually play off each other. Having all these separate divisions makes no sense whatsoever. People also forget that school divisions have the authority to levy taxes, which they do, quite liberally and without regard for us poor pricks that have to pay them. I am so tired of these commie bastards hiding behind my children and using them as pawns.
14 Re: you say you want school tax removed from property... Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:32 am
Deank
contributor eminence
if we remove the tax from property and put it on income.. there would be no reason at all for anything more then one province wide school board,.. and yes just one.. frick the french having their own school board thats unneeded.
15 Re: you say you want school tax removed from property... Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:39 am
Freeman
uber-contributor
The French thing may be unneeded, but it is law.
16 Re: you say you want school tax removed from property... Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:43 am
AGEsAces
moderator
Freeman wrote:The French thing may be unneeded, but it is law.
it's the law to have the program...not to have the board.
One board can handle both program....just make sure a couple people on the board can speak french.
17 Re: you say you want school tax removed from property... Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:57 am
Deank
contributor eminence
"just make sure a couple people on the board can speak french."
why would that be neccessary?
why would that be neccessary?
18 Re: you say you want school tax removed from property... Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:23 am
FlyingRat
moderator
Just a note that the French school board covers the whole province. An example for the English system to look at!
19 Re: you say you want school tax removed from property... Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:29 am
AGEsAces
moderator
FlyingRat wrote:Just a note that the French school board covers the whole province. An example for the English system to look at!
That's probably because there's 1/10th the number of French schools in the province.
I guess I still don't understand the division though.
In New Jersey, there is one School Board Association, and each County/City would have a smaller board, of unpaid volunteers.
http://www.njsba.org/home2004/about_njsba_membership.php?pn=1
I'm not saying it's something to model from, as I found the NJ version poorly run too...but if an entire state with a population of several million people can run with one governing body for all, I don't see why the Province can't do that with less than 1M people...especially less than 1M students.
20 Re: you say you want school tax removed from property... Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:31 am
Deank
contributor eminence
the school board trustee was the "guy with power" at one point in our past AND it used to be that pretty much the ENTIRE school budget was set forth by the one guy and getting money from his neighbours. Then the government took over.
21 Re: you say you want school tax removed from property... Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:33 am
Guest
Guest
How many Boards do you need in a province of around a million people? I say one.
22 Re: you say you want school tax removed from property... Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:33 am
AGEsAces
moderator
Deank wrote:the school board trustee was the "guy with power" at one point in our past AND it used to be that pretty much the ENTIRE school budget was set forth by the one guy and getting money from his neighbours. Then the government took over.
Yeah...that model never works either.
A board is a good idea...and the board should elect someone to oversee the meetings, etc.
23 Re: you say you want school tax removed from property... Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:35 am
grumpy old man
administrator
Ahem, Manitoba = 1.2 million.
24 Re: you say you want school tax removed from property... Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:35 am
FlyingRat
moderator
not all of which are in school....
25 Re: you say you want school tax removed from property... Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:37 am
Guest
Guest
wooopteedoo...1.2 is so much more than 1 eh? Point's the same.
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