That jubilee shooting

Deank wrote:
Does a minor pot player like this dude really deserve such a crazy invasion tactic?

The answer to the question is obviously not...they should have gone in with more force, or perhaps called ahead so he could either destroy any evidence, or arm himself better to repel the "invaders".
The cops had a warrant, they had the right to enter, the shithead thought he was a toughguy, let him pay the price.

We're sort of back to the point of the argument I made...none of this would have happened if pot was legal.

Doing this is not going to stop pot from being used, as prohibition didn't stop drinking.

The laws are destroying peoples' lives needlessly imo. It's insanity.

Does seem like a needless waste of police resources when more serious problems remain unaddressed.

Pavolo wrote:Right that is good do you know what is involved in a take down there is lots of supervision . So the crap doe.s not get hurt or abused as they always cry just like the prison there all innocent .

The crappy thing is, they HAVE to do all that or the dirt bag will get off. No matter how much the creep deserves a good asskicking or (as LD says, a bullet hole center mass) if they do it, this fucker's gonna get off and do the same sh1t again.
I think we don't give the police force enough power... if they were allowed to use deadly force more often, id bet there would be less crime.

well... less repeat criminals anyway...

egomaniac wrote:

Pavolo wrote:Right that is good do you know what is involved in a take down there is lots of supervision . So the crap doe.s not get hurt or abused as they always cry just like the prison there all innocent .

The crappy thing is, they HAVE to do all that or the dirt bag will get off. No matter how much the creep deserves a good asskicking or (as LD says, a bullet hole center mass) if they do it, this fucker's gonna get off and do the same sh1t again.
I think we don't give the police force enough power... if they were allowed to use deadly force more often, id bet there would be less crime.

** i'm gonna go off topic here. I just noticed. sh1t was edited and yet fucker's was not edited by the naughty word modification automation???? .**

ooh..i thought that was my typo..i was too lazy to go and fix it....
perhap's f*ckers is not in the list of words to automatically change?

I guess it is difficult to capture every iteration of potty words... Frankly it is unfortunate we have to have auto-censoring.

grumpy old man wrote:I guess it is difficult to capture every iteration of potty words... Frankly it is unfortunate we have to have auto-censoring.

Ah hell, no big deal here, i'll just censor myself by mysef...

So his only crime was using a little weed? Really?

he was a dealer. the only crime they were after him for was dealing and supposed weapons possesion.

Pot was not all they wanted and inmost cases they don't care about small time dealers just the ones who are more connected . It is not worth their time to do the bust for bit players .

and this guy was little more then a bit player

So they say and the evidence suggest we don't hear it all.

Whatever minor thing they were after this guy for, was sufficient for them to obtain a warrant. As far as the weapons stuff, well, I guess they were right on that one.

I wonder how many 'dealer rip-offs' occur without it being in the news. We've all heard of some of them, and they are quite violent, so, perhaps, the kid was acting in self-defence, at least in his mind anyway.

Adding up a few of the posts here:

The guy was a dealer.
The police went in with a "possession" charge/warrant.
The guy shot at the police.

Sometimes it's easier for the cops to go after someone for a small charge, that they KNOW will "stick", and then use the information gathered from that arrest to attach the larger charge (dealing), once they have more evidence.

I still stand by what I said...the cops had bad aim.

So did the kid though.

As far as aim, the punk was having an almighty crap, he was probably high (Mom & Dad thought he spent all that time in the can because he was jerking off, not smoking up), the door was closed, so thats his excuse. As for the cops, well, all their shots went high because they didn't realize he was sitting on the crapper and they were shooting through the door figuring he was standing up.

as a cop with a person with suspected weapons in the house do you
A) stand in front of a closed door?
B) not be that dumb?

you know what would solve all this real quick?

Police officers cars having video cameras and every cop having a remote mike that records every single thing he says.

Be pretty easy to tell if the cops entered properly if we had an audio recording of everything they said.

Can not for the life of me see why every single cop would not want this. Just imagine how many frivilous LERA complaints would vanish.. just imagine how many lawsuits would dry up overnight.

If they are not doing anything wrong, whats the matter with them being recorded and it could help save them from needless crap from the community.

Good idea. This is putting the shoe on the other foot eh....got nothing to hide...why complain.

Having hours of audo/video of cops ordering donuts & coffee seems kind of pointless .

However, it would be more interesting if it's something that is automatically turned on when an investigation/pursuit/complaint is initiated...I'd presume cops aren't stopping to get a coffee on their way to a bust.

With technology today...they could just put cameras on the officers themselves...and then they can record wherever the officer goes and what happens when he gets there.

Jubilee Avenue, older, smaller house, hallway leading to john, not much opportunity to stay clear of the door. Lets put camera and mikes on the crooks instead.

Freeman wrote:Jubilee Avenue, older, smaller house, hallway leading to john, not much opportunity to stay clear of the door. Lets put camera and mikes on the crooks instead.

but that would violate THEIR "rights"

just think how much easier it would make all court cases...just think how much easier the Taman case would have been, just think how many of these inquiries about wrongful death at the hands of an officer would never have needed to happen.

oh.. and disconnecting your mike for any reason, other then going off duty? Automatic termination from the force without a severence package and a 6 month jail term.

Dont get me wrong. I am not bashing the police on this one. I just see it as a drop dead easy way to proove that most cops are out there following the rules, doing their job properly and are constantly frustrated by not being able to proove certain aspects of their cases against criminal assholes.. and if along the way we happen to clean the crap out of the police forces, the crap that gives cops a bad name, how can this possibly be a bad thing?