more taZer fun

http://www.indystar.com/article/20090220/LOCAL0101/902200330/1015/LOCAL01
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Noblesville Police Department Lt. Bruce Barnes, an instructor in the use of Tasers, said officers are trained to use the devices when lesser-force options are not available.

"You can use the Taser anytime anybody is punching, kicking or threatening to punch or kick," Barnes said. "We can use it when we tell someone to do something, they refuse, lesser-force options are not available and they are a credible threat to you."

Barnes declined to comment on whether the boy could have posed a credible threat to a police officer, saying he did not know the full circumstances of the incident."



the boy in question... 90lbs... 14 years old an autistic.

Autistic? man the pigs are getting out control with this crap!

Another fcuken coward of a cop. Tasering a kid of 14 because he could.

Autistic children do not feel physical pain in 97% of tasers!

Is that funny?

How does this thread get under the "business" classification?

IG guy, JTF

i'm curious, how much experience do you guys have in dealing with autistic children, particularily ones that are having their outbursts?

i'm constantly amazed by some people on here who will jump at any chance to criticize any police officer while ignoring some basic facts, like the fact that this officer did not know the kid was autistic. this police force has a special unit for dealing with autistic children and if they had known he was they would have sent them.

I know I likely could not tell if a child is autistic or has other mental health issues.

I can tell if the boy is a CHILD. I can tell that the child is NINETY POUNDS.

The following is most telling about the attitude of that police force regarding the use of a taser.

Noblesville Police Department Lt. Bruce Barnes, an instructor in the use of Tasers, said officers are trained to use the devices when lesser-force options are not available.

"You can use the Taser anytime anybody is punching, kicking or threatening to punch or kick," Barnes said. "We can use it when we tell someone to do something, they refuse, lesser-force options are not available and they are a credible threat to you."

Barnes declined to comment on whether the boy could have posed a credible threat to a police officer, saying he did not know the full circumstances of the incident.

That alone is all I need to pass judgement on this police force and how they handled this incident.

AdamX wrote:i'm constantly amazed by some people on here who will jump at any chance to criticize any police officer while ignoring some basic facts, like the fact that this officer did not know the kid was autistic. this police force has a special unit for dealing with autistic children and if they had known he was they would have sent them.

The police are a very polarizing group. Some people are uber-critical and will take every opportunity to sh1ite on them. Others are uber-protective and take the police are always right approach.

Then there are some that hold the police up to a very high standard as the police hold themselves up. We expect the police to do a good job. We don't want to hear of police abuse of power, be it taser deployment or getting away with drunk driving.

When we hear of instances where we believe that they abused their authority we respond passionately.

In the end I believe almost every citizen hold the police in high regard and would be very happy if they were only perfect at all times.

My humble view...

true enough grumpy, true enough

i dont think think all police are perfect by any means, but i guess having the perspective of an instructor that i do, i see most so called examples of police abusing their authority as ignorance at best, a witch hunt at worst.

this case, for example, i dont understand how people are so quick to blame the officer and call him a coward and a pig and say he is abusing his authority when he is just following training.
police are trained to treat teens as just as dangerous as an adult. There are many many cases of officers or other people being killed by teens because "they are only a child, and only 90 lbs". thats dangerous thinking for a cop.

in this case the officer saw a violent person and responded as he was trained. thats not the case of the officer being a coward or doing something just because he could.

being upset and looking for someone or something to blame is fine, just place the blame in the right spots is all i'm saying. most of these situations are a direct result of training and policies that are put in place by the higher ups.

Obviously the cop wasn't trained properly. Otherwise he would have been trained to deal with a kid like this in a much more appropriate way.

Beside, this "just following orders sh it" under the guise of "training" is a very poor defence imo.

Well I will say that none of us were there and we don.t know exactly why , I see the point being made for both sides . I think as someone who has been involved in some very hairy situations with the police , involving guns . I might have some insight to there feelings , and those of the public .

As one poster said and I concur there is always a better way in hindsight , but hind sight was not there at the time . The police did not get away with the Taman incident because of police , they got away with it cause the system failed us . In the perfect world the police involved would have not been allowed to lose there notes , Bakeema would not have been allowed to oversee the event and the use of a impartial process would have taken over.

The world is not perfect and never will be ,saying that neither are we . the police are expected to go out with an x on there backs every day , and perform they do screw up every one can at what ever they do . Funny the the plea bargains that made this case happen, they still can happen . That is the justice system not the police to blame . As I have said before I am not pro cop but I don't blame them for what is not their fault .
Some of us have a grudge since there incident with the police and you probably have valid reason too. This is not reason to label all of them in the boat of venom you feel , as since then you have been full of it towards them . I don't remember the whole story but and I don't think it justifies this hate .

Some of you get on my case for being personal well some of you have made your argument just that. This is the last time I will adrees this issue I will try to stay out of this subject from now on . Iam tired of the pointlessness The facts have been well given and recieved , Good luck Adam X PM if you can .

Hate and boat of venom???? Gimme a break!

Sorry if it is the wrong words but it starts to sound like it , what would you call it .

Sorry we are not supposed to debate just exchange thoughts and opions . I will leave it . No answere needed . Point taken This is silly .

I'd call it a difference of opinion and a difference of interpretation.

Okay no hard feelings I hope you know I don't attack you or your opinion. Just differ from it . Still respect it.

No problemo from meo anywayo.

JTF wrote:Obviously the cop wasn't trained properly. Otherwise he would have been trained to deal with a kid like this in a much more appropriate way.

see JTF thats my point, this officer was NOT trained to deal with autistic kids. The department has a special unit that IS trained to deal with a kid like this, however for whatever reason they were not sent, and this particular officer didnt know that he was dealing with autism.

so how exactly is that the officers fault?

But should not the officer side on caution as he was trained last time I heard . and why do any thing till back up arrives to help him handle it . That would be my comment to him when debriefing him .

perfectly valid questions, and depends on the departments policies of course and whether the officer thought the kid might be autistic (which i doubt he did or he would have called the special unit). but at least ask these kinds of questions rather than just make comments like "Another fcuken coward of a cop. Tasering a kid of 14 because he could." which is just ignorant.

What's ignorant is all the excusing you are doing.

Don't blame anyone. I bet you vote Liberal too.

Ouch

....all in good fun.

It is always good fun till some one gets a stick in the eye.