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The Endless Debate

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1The Endless Debate Empty The Endless Debate Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:40 pm

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Do we fix the street mess we have or do we invest in Rapid transit or lrt whatever comes first I think Rapid transit as it is alot less money. The streets need to be fixed too though and there has to be a way to do both. The easiest way I see is the province give the city more of their share of the gas tax towards this end after all the majority of it is collected from Winnipeg and we desearve it

2The Endless Debate Empty Re: The Endless Debate Sun Sep 28, 2008 1:34 am

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Pavolo wrote:Do we fix the street mess we have or do we invest in Rapid transit or lrt whatever comes first I think Rapid transit as it is alot less money. The streets need to be fixed too though and there has to be a way to do both. The easiest way I see is the province give the city more of their share of the gas tax towards this end after all the majority of it is collected from Winnipeg and we desearve it

I think most cities would like to see their share of the gas tax actually applied to roadwork/infrastructure in their respective areas. In a city like Winnipeg with a climate that can see such extremes throughout the year , its pretty imperative that roads are kept in decent shape to handle the traffic volumes we have. We've been driving through pot holes for years and years now.

3The Endless Debate Empty Re: The Endless Debate Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:32 am

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Also if we are and we are I believe going to fix up the Disraeli bridge what is the problem you will find an alternative route . I believe GOM said he lived in TO before he is probably used to this as I was when I lived there. The biggest difference was that their work seemed to go much quicker course some projects went 24 7 till done as the contractor had completion bonus built in and non completion penalties . They worked Sundays and long weekends to finish some of the more criticle work .

4The Endless Debate Empty Re: The Endless Debate Sun Sep 28, 2008 9:02 am

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The major difference is the 24/7 schedules. They also have such heavy traffic I believe they made certain the roads were built to the very best standards. Sometimes here I feel they take shortcuts to cut cost.

5The Endless Debate Empty Re: The Endless Debate Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:44 am

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If there was permafrost, the roads would have been almost maintanance free...
I posted just to see if my "huh" came out okay...
Nope... Don't accept the codes... I'll change it.

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6The Endless Debate Empty Re: The Endless Debate Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:04 am

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A major problem that we have, imho, is that we are spread out over a very large area and this makes it very expensive to build any sort of rapid transit effectively.
The downtown used to be the center of the city, the hub if you will, but it isn't any longer.
I can't see this be reconcilled. We can't have urban sprawl and a cost effective rapid transit system.
Perhaps we should just concentrate on more and better busses?

7The Endless Debate Empty Re: The Endless Debate Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:05 am

grumpy old man

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Welcome "back" JTF. How do ya like the new place?

8The Endless Debate Empty Re: The Endless Debate Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:21 am

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This is fantastic!!
BRAVO to you sir.
Job well done...AGAIN.

9The Endless Debate Empty Re: The Endless Debate Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:23 am

grumpy old man

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And now you've *arrived* in the most posts widget. Time for you and DeanK to assume your rightful place.

Have ya invited eWinnipeg to join us?

10The Endless Debate Empty Re: The Endless Debate Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:27 am

SMW

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And have you noticed the real-time chat box at the bottom of the main page? hint hint.

http://www.conceitedjerk.com

11The Endless Debate Empty Re: The Endless Debate Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:31 am

grumpy old man

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I could move it to the top or either side. I do kinda like it where it is. But this place will be a real democracy and if the majority wants changes that I can make happen I will make it so.

12The Endless Debate Empty Re: The Endless Debate Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:31 am

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Yes welcome back jtf yes grumpy Iam with you on the short cuts it doe's seem like it . I also wonder how much the price go's up cause it is the city or goverment paying , perhaps we need better control of the way things are done a semi private agency to over see these contracts and the way they are awarded .

13The Endless Debate Empty Re: The Endless Debate Sun Sep 28, 2008 9:18 pm

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Doe's the cost of these projects seem to be excessive to some degree the other day I heard 3 million to do 4 miles of Asphalt on a side street . I know cost are up but this seems to be alot of cash .

14The Endless Debate Empty Re: The Endless Debate Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:51 pm

EdWin

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Didn't even know this place existed until today.

We need to do both; fix up potholes and implement rapid transit (those who know me know how I feel about poorman's BRT Laughing ) This is a city of over 700,000 and we are far behind other Canadian cities in term of road maintenance and transit. It's high time we get our shit together and start running this city like it should have been done in the first place.

15The Endless Debate Empty Re: The Endless Debate Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:54 pm

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Welcome EdWin. This site did not really exist until yesterday.

And yeah, we need to do more of both. We often use a bandage when we ought to be operating.

16The Endless Debate Empty Re: The Endless Debate Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:03 pm

Freeman

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We have these endless arguments that we pay less taxes than other places, but I'm still not convinced. Perhaps the comparisons should be on what we actually spend our tax dollars on.

17The Endless Debate Empty Re: The Endless Debate Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:04 am

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grumpy old man wrote:And now you've *arrived* in the most posts widget. Time for you and DeanK to assume your rightful place.

Have ya invited eWinnipeg to join us?

gack.. you are 100 posts ahead of me and its only been two days... and I am busy at work and home all week... guess I have to buy a bottle and beat you guys down sometime next weekend Laughing

18The Endless Debate Empty Re: The Endless Debate Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:06 am

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Dozens of my posts were created while developing the site. You'se guys will catch up during the day next week.

19The Endless Debate Empty Re: The Endless Debate Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:14 am

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Deank wrote:guess I have to buy a bottle and beat you guys down sometime next weekend

Oho! Them's fightin' words!
Arrr, yer challenge be accepted! pirat

http://www.conceitedjerk.com

20The Endless Debate Empty Re: The Endless Debate Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:16 am

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Airt Mattrèssor wrote:
Deank wrote:guess I have to buy a bottle and beat you guys down sometime next weekend

Oho! Them's fightin' words!
Arrr, yer challenge be accepted! pirat

Aren;t you supposed to be offline working on your calling????Razz

21The Endless Debate Empty Re: The Endless Debate Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:27 am

Deank

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Deank wrote:
grumpy old man wrote:And now you've *arrived* in the most posts widget. Time for you and DeanK to assume your rightful place.

Have ya invited eWinnipeg to join us?

gack.. you are 100 posts ahead of me and its only been two days... and I am busy at work and home all week... guess I have to buy a bottle and beat you guys down sometime next weekend Laughing


ahh there we go into the top posters list and every message has my name beside it in the latest topics window... myu job here is done ( for tonight ) clown

22The Endless Debate Empty Re: The Endless Debate Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:35 am

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The coming closure of the Disreli how much will it affect you myself not to bad as I don't need to go that route usaully take the perimenter stead of going thru town or go the Bishop route to the West End of the city

23The Endless Debate Empty Re: The Endless Debate Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:51 am

Electrician

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Bring over trainloads of tarsand from AB, flatten it out on the roads, have heavy traffic "steamroll" the roads, until finally, seep out the oil and make gas out of it. Kind of like making olive oil.
Result? Nice smooth streets, cheap gas, and maybe less potholes.
bounce

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24The Endless Debate Empty Re: The Endless Debate Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:55 am

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Hell of an Idea if we can get Alberta to agree to it thats it I am supporting you for next mayor not jtf . Laughing

25The Endless Debate Empty Re: The Endless Debate Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:58 am

Electrician

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Pavolo wrote:Hell of an Idea if we can get Alberta to agree to it thats it I am supporting you for next mayor not jtf . Laughing
I'll check on Ralph, and see if he isn't busy fishing, get a word in to the present prov. govt. and see if we can trade some electoral-icity for the tarsand. Since I'm at it, what else would you like?

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