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Dry Bell Hotel up for debate

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1Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Empty Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:33 am

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Dry Bell Hotel up for debate

Feds ‘prefer’ no booze in new homeless shelter

By PAUL TURENNE, Winnipeg Sun
There was a bit of intergovernmental controversy Friday at what was otherwise a good-news announcement related to homelessness in downtown Winnipeg.

The federal government, the province and the city, through its arm’s-length CentreVenture development corporation, are all contributing to the $6-million makeover of the 104-year-old Bell Hotel, which will be transformed from a skid-row hotel to a 42-unit supported living complex for the homeless and those at risk of becoming so.

However, the parties publicly disagreed Friday about whether the facility should allow alcohol.

Winnipeg MP Steven Fletcher, who was representing the federal government at the launch, surprised the crowd by proclaiming that the feds prefer such facilities to be dry.

“It’s our preference, not an absolute statement. There are other stakeholders,” Fletcher later clarified, noting Ottawa is not threatening to pull its $2.7-million funding and is committed to proceeding on the project.

Nevertheless, Fletcher suggested his government will at least continue to press the issue.

“It’s our preference that it’s dry. I guess that debate can occur,” he said.

The provincial Tories released a statement Friday supporting the position of their federal Conservative counterparts.

However, provincial Housing Minister Kerri Irvin-Ross said she felt Fletcher was just expressing his opinion and as far as she’s concerned, alcohol will be allowed at the complex.

“It’s not a dry facility. The individuals who live in these homes will have the same rights as any other tenant would have,” she said. “Our position is get them in a home and stabilize them, then we can help them with other issues.”

Ross McGowan, CEO of CentreVenture, said Fletcher’s statement was the first talk he’s heard of the Bell being dry, but declined to comment any further.

The renovated facility, which will retain the old Bell Hotel name, is expected to open by May or June 2011.

2Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Empty Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:37 am

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The most likely found-ins will be peeps with addition problems IMO. If some folks are attempting to turn that part of their life around will allowing alcohol on the premises make it more difficult?

3Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Empty Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:51 am

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I say make it dry.

http://www.granhotelflores.blogspot.com

4Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Empty Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:57 am

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grumpy old man wrote:The most likely found-ins will be peeps with addition problems IMO. If some folks are attempting to turn that part of their life around will allowing alcohol on the premises make it more difficult?

If booze is allowed, it'll be just another Main Street Dive in a very short time imho.

We'll spend all our time policing the joint rather than rehabilitating these people. Allowing booze just doesn't make any sense.

5Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Empty Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:29 am

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I think no booze is a good idea, as 87% of the residents will be alcoholic, it will serve as a safer place to "dry out"!
I think they should consult with DeanK! lol

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6Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Empty Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sat Apr 24, 2010 2:01 pm

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This should be considered a no brainer, and I'm kind of surprised this is even a story. The place exists to help the homeless. Having alcohol on the premises IMO isn't really helping. This could be one of many reasons why they are homeless. The gov't also wouldn't want to be contributing our tax dollars to a project where alcohol will be allowed. Politically very damaging.

7Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Empty Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:41 pm

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Lines have to be drawn somewhere.....I have never heard of a homeless shelter that advocated for the rights of the "guests" to have intoxicating substances on the premises.

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8Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Empty Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun Apr 25, 2010 10:08 am

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Reading the comments on the CBC site this morning and I am kind of flummoxed....why are folks calling anyone who suggests that this place be "dry" "out of touch"? These same folks who believe that they have the rights and dignity of the homeless to maintain and ensure do not live on the streets nor live near "the streets"....no, I would hazard a guess that many of those armchair social workers live in that rarified part of the city known as the Granola Belt.

To me it makes perfect sense to have a facility of this nature be dry. Many reservations are dry and even some
municipalities are dry. Are these same folks, these purported do-gooders going to question the wisdom of those two entities? I highly doubt it.

I see nothing wrong with someone going out for a beer or five if they are a tenant there and are members of that class called the working poor. No one, I believe, is trying to deny anyone the right to a good time but if you have a facility whereby some of the tenants are folks with substance abuse issues would it not make sense to have as quiet and hassle-free a residence as humanly possible?

Can some folks not restrain themselves if but for one night of decent sleep? I wonder.

Some would venture to say, hey, can't afford a place to stay then don't buy that beer or that bag of weed....and others would say hey, that person worked for it so why can't they have a bit of fun? I can see both sides here but sheesh, does one really need to have access to booze at say midnight if they are staying in this place and maybe have to be up for work as a temp labourer at five ayem?

http://www.granhotelflores.blogspot.com

9Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Empty Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:25 am

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I ran into a friend that has political connections on Saturday, and as the story goes, the province never mentioned the "wet" aspect of this place through all their negotiations/discussions with the feds over the money. It was only dropped on Fletcher when he showed up for the event. While I can't speak for the federal government, methinks that they would have had a second, sober thought (get it??) if they knew the intent was to allow booze and drugs.

I'm no expert on addictions, but it doesn't make sense to me to allow booze and drugs into a PUBLICY FUNDED or any other facility which is supposed to provide housing for types with addiction problems. What about the folks that are making an honest attempt to get their sh1t together and having to live with the temptation which will be so easily accessible?

10Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Empty Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:08 am

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I reckon that whomever thought up the idea of having this place be "wet" should really consider a career change.

WTF are they thinking???

11Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Empty Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:27 am

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Several studies of places exactly like this in inner cities in the US ( we are 25 years behind on this one peeps) have shown that a controlled wet environment is actually better for enabling people to get off the street.

How are those 100% dry reserves working out eh?

12Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Empty Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:43 am

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How controlled is controlled?

Remember, this place is targetting residents with addiction problems? Is everyone on a reserve addicted?

13Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Empty Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:45 am

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More importantly, it's the building itself that should be dry. Walk a few feet outside the doors and get snookered all ya want.

14Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Empty Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:48 am

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Controlled as in, they needed to check their intoxification of choice in as they came into the building. (no questions asked from management) so that the staff were aware of what was being used in order be able to talk with the person about their choices in life and if they wanted to continue trying to dry out.


" Is everyone on a reserve addicted?"
define addicted..

15Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Empty Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:07 pm

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With this place, I don't believe that they're trying to solve the addiction part of this but rather the associated problems, such as ambulance and police responses, other medical issues, constant need to find beds, etc.

Perhaps they should be thinking of opening up a different type of facility for what they really want to do.....something like a big gymnasium with hundreds of cots perhaps.

16Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Empty Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:12 pm

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A place to live and call your own works wonders to helping finding stable employment and such. It works absolute wonders in other cities one can only help it works as well here.

17Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Empty Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:18 pm

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Having it filled with deadbeat chronics is a No Sale to most people though, hence the need for it to be dry.

18Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Empty Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:21 pm

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and hence the reason it will be empty alot of the time.

not a lot of point of making it "dry" if the people are just going to be refused entry when they are on something. It will simply encourage them to "sneak" stuff around and such.

19Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Empty Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:26 pm

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Of course. That's a good thing as it will eventually weed out the drunks that shouldn't be there in the first place.

The place should cater to those that don't have a problem with it being dry....the ones that want to get a job and get on with life.

20Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Empty Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:34 pm

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drunks need a place to sleep too.

21Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Empty Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:18 pm

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Why do you think there are bridges and park benches?

22Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Empty Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:27 pm

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for making out?

23Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Empty Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:54 am

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I see Toews is backing down about the booze aspect...

http://www.winnipegsun.com/news/winnipeg/2010/04/26/13730676.html

24Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Empty Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:24 am

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A politician changing his mind? What's next?

25Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Empty Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:54 am

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Actually, he's changing Fletcher's mind, but, to me, he's running away from a fight. (Seems to be a pattern with him).

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