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Dry Bell Hotel up for debate
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27 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Wed Apr 28, 2010 11:43 am
FlyingRat
moderator
I think the problem is, if they make it dry, they think everyone will prefer to live on the street! Surely there are some that want to get of the booze and will thrive with a dry facility.
Or how about, build two facilities, one dry, one wet, and see after a year which way works better
Or how about, build two facilities, one dry, one wet, and see after a year which way works better
28 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:49 pm
Miz point
uber-contributor
See after a year which one needed more repairs?
29 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:53 pm
Guest
Guest
You may have something there....
The city can get into the flop-house business for added revenue.
Since the Province is responsible for welfare payments, the city could make a lot of cash at what...$300 a head every month.
The city can get into the flop-house business for added revenue.
Since the Province is responsible for welfare payments, the city could make a lot of cash at what...$300 a head every month.
30 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sat May 01, 2010 10:33 pm
DowntownBIZ
This project is worth the investment. Similar projects across NA have proven to work.
I was fortunate to run Winnipeg Housing (social housing) for about 7 years.
My experience is that most people who were evicted had social, mental health or addiction issues. Their challenges resulted in non-payment of rent, inability to maintain their suites, or nuisance and disturbance. In some cases all three issues.
Social housing is almost housing of last resort for the working poor and others that cannot afford market rents. Rooming houses, SRO hotels are the other last alternatives. They are tough places to live. Some of these tenants get evicted even from these places because of their life challenges.
So from there it’s the downtown streets and the revolving door of the Main Street Project, or other social agencies.
This project is a good solution, as the people are not going anywhere too far from Main Street. And with the right management approach it will work.
Doing nothing but helping these people off the street, every day, is only a band aid. What are the alternatives?
Lets give CentreVenture and the Province a chance.
Stefano
BIZ
I was fortunate to run Winnipeg Housing (social housing) for about 7 years.
My experience is that most people who were evicted had social, mental health or addiction issues. Their challenges resulted in non-payment of rent, inability to maintain their suites, or nuisance and disturbance. In some cases all three issues.
Social housing is almost housing of last resort for the working poor and others that cannot afford market rents. Rooming houses, SRO hotels are the other last alternatives. They are tough places to live. Some of these tenants get evicted even from these places because of their life challenges.
So from there it’s the downtown streets and the revolving door of the Main Street Project, or other social agencies.
This project is a good solution, as the people are not going anywhere too far from Main Street. And with the right management approach it will work.
Doing nothing but helping these people off the street, every day, is only a band aid. What are the alternatives?
Lets give CentreVenture and the Province a chance.
Stefano
BIZ
31 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sat May 01, 2010 11:15 pm
Miz point
uber-contributor
CentreVenture? Give them a chance? Hahahahah. I have my reservations about an entity that has, in the past, refused to share with the public its terms and references, bylaws, mission statements and job descriptions.
32 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 8:24 am
Guest
Guest
Similar projects across NA have proven to work.
What are the parameters or criterion for judging this to be successful?
33 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 8:29 am
administrator
administrator
Perhaps we need to go back to warehousing these people. Seriously. If they cannot save themselves mayhaps an institutional approach needs to be reconsidered.
I'm not suggesting we go back to the 1950's approach. How about a more kind and caring and compassionate 2010 approach.
Here's the thing: what we are doing now is absolutely NOT working. These people are not only a danger to themselves, but more importantly, to others.
I'm not suggesting we go back to the 1950's approach. How about a more kind and caring and compassionate 2010 approach.
Here's the thing: what we are doing now is absolutely NOT working. These people are not only a danger to themselves, but more importantly, to others.
34 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 8:33 am
Guest
Guest
No no no....can't do that.....that would put way too many do-gooders do-nothing social workers out of business. Can't have that now, can we....that would effect way too many Nippers.
35 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 8:42 am
Guest
Guest
God you are a bitter old fart arn,t you .
36 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 8:47 am
grumpy old man
administrator
Why not bitter? The horseshit that is thrust upon us day in and day out is enough to make even the most even-minded amoungst us more than a little jaded.
37 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 8:48 am
Guest
Guest
Not bitter....just not as dumb as some......and I've always called BullShit when I see it.
38 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 8:48 am
Guest
Guest
No one showed up to dick about it heh
39 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 8:51 am
grumpy old man
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The bleeding-hearts have created an environment that seems completely hopeless. I read somewhere where someone wrote a report about the ills of society and chuckled while agreeing when told he was just suckling off the public purse.
This is what makes people bitter. How do you read the situation Pavola? You think people should be satisfied by matters?
This is what makes people bitter. How do you read the situation Pavola? You think people should be satisfied by matters?
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40 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 8:51 am
grumpy old man
administrator
Showed up where?Pavolo wrote:No one showed up to dick about it heh
41 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 8:58 am
Guest
Guest
No I do not but the problem is not as simple as some think . The voters over the years have allowed this system to get it foothold and it will take time and major changes in the thinking of this nation to solve it .
We have to be willing to get our hands dirty and so far we have not been , our weak kneed system proves it . We allow children to run amok with no consequence and we allow criminals to pay no real price for their crime .
Spare the rod spoil the child it starts in the beginning .
We have to be willing to get our hands dirty and so far we have not been , our weak kneed system proves it . We allow children to run amok with no consequence and we allow criminals to pay no real price for their crime .
Spare the rod spoil the child it starts in the beginning .
42 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 8:59 am
Guest
Guest
grumpy old man wrote:Showed up where?Pavolo wrote:No one showed up to dick about it heh
The Pony Corral
43 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 9:01 am
grumpy old man
administrator
Who thinks the problem is simple?
44 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 9:02 am
Guest
Guest
Did I refer to you or did you put your name in there.
45 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 9:05 am
Guest
Guest
I think the problem is simple. I think the solution is also.
But we fail to have the balls to do what is required.
But we fail to have the balls to do what is required.
46 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 9:05 am
Guest
Guest
Oh....all we have to do is cut off the money.
47 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 9:05 am
grumpy old man
administrator
Pavolo wrote:grumpy old man wrote:Showed up where?Pavolo wrote:No one showed up to dick about it heh
The Pony Corral
Huh? THREE people acknowledged their participation. THREE. You were NOT one of them.
The meeting was canceled after a time change was proposed that did not work for one of the three.
You were sayin'?
48 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 9:07 am
grumpy old man
administrator
Huh?Pavolo wrote:Did I refer to you or did you put your name in there.
You said some people think the problem is simple. I simply asked who they were.
49 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 9:09 am
grumpy old man
administrator
Yup. Let's cut off on billion dollars a year for 10 years. That gives these hard-working and industrious people half a generation to become completely self-sufficient.JTF wrote:Oh....all we have to do is cut off the money.
50 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 9:16 am
Guest
Guest
JTF wrote:Oh....all we have to do is cut off the money.
Yes that is part of the problem and something that has to be looked at , but why did we start to give it to them and not just include them in this country as equals different but equal . Would not have theirs and ours changes to fit in been much cheaper .
51 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 9:23 am
Guest
Guest
What we've done wrong is unimportant now. Money is what the fighting is all about....so let's fix that once and for all. Pay the indians off with a cheque to each individual, then nothing more PERIOD.
Or PLAN B. Ship em off to Quebec, etc.
Or PLAN B. Ship em off to Quebec, etc.
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