Dry Bell Hotel up for debate

Guest · 51 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 9:23 am

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What we've done wrong is unimportant now. Money is what the fighting is all about....so let's fix that once and for all. Pay the indians off with a cheque to each individual, then nothing more PERIOD.

Or PLAN B. Ship em off to Quebec, etc.

Guest · 52 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 9:29 am

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Yes that makes it so simple heh

grumpy old man · 53 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 9:38 am

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JTF wrote:What we've done wrong is unimportant now. Money is what the fighting is all about....so let's fix that once and for all.

Absolutely agree. Trouble is when discussions about what to do to fix the problem arise the historical treatment of those people always comes up. Every single time. Watch for it...

Guest · 54 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 9:42 am

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And then there is the Wasn't my generation speech.

Guest · 55 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 10:02 am

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The government should take the initiative and put a number directly to the indian people themselves...each individual should have a vote... yay or nay to a specific amount to be paid to each person....then pay it and be done with it.

That will settle all land claims, past injustices, blah blah and do away with all the graft that's been allowed to permeate this nonsense.

DowntownBIZ · 56 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 10:19 am

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Remember CV only owns the property and is not in the business of running the program.

http://www.endhomelessness.org/

I was also fortunate to work with the late Harry Lehotsky from New Life Ministries. The housing he developed was with the dry philosophy in mind.

Wet, dry;- both housing approaches work in helping people off the street and into a better environment. It really comes down to the management and outreach, and how ready and willing the tenants are. In the end, there will always be some that don't want to be helped, or are not ready.

Judging by the comments people either believe in community (tax payers / churches / social agencies) helping people with need, or they don't.

grumpy old man · 57 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 10:53 am

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Oh I think most want to and believe in helping those that are having difficulty helping themselves. I think what most are saying is we've been not too successful so far. We've seen both extremes and now we need to moderate our approach.

One thing is for certain, warehousing these people in the same area is not helping. We have to decentralize somewhat.

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Miz point · 58 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 10:57 am

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Warehousing has proven to be a big mistake.....perhaps we should move some of these fine folks into facilities in River Heights, Tuxedo or Lindenwoods.....variety is good for a neighbourhood right?

grumpy old man · 59 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 11:07 am

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Build the right facilities in the right place and it'll work just about anywhere. The point is to decentralize out of the core.

Guest · 60 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 11:18 am

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Bullshit!! Decentralization is what has destroyed our downtown. Main street is now Portage Avenue.

Decentralization started with Juba and has now almost destroyed our city.

grumpy old man · 61 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 11:25 am

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Bullshit!! What in the world are you talking about?

I am not advocating creating more warehouses like the Bell Hotel for the indigent and the homeless next door to you JTF.

I'm talking about including the less fortunate in existing buildings. If there is a new 100 suite building constructed let's include space for 5 or 10% of the suites for those peeps.

I'm talking about small houses where 4 or 5 peeps share a place in average neighbourhoods.

What I don't want is a cluster of housing like the Bell Hotel focused in any one area.

Guest · 62 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 11:27 am

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I completely disagree.

How about we put one of those houses right next door to yours?

grumpy old man · 63 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 11:34 am

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I know you do.

Put the right people in the right house and manage it properly and I'd be fine with it. Christ JTF I have zero control over my neighbours now and I can assure you I've had some really shitty neighbours that are supposedly "normal" and...

Imagine our sandbox neighbour living next door to you? and...

grumpy old man · 64 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 11:37 am

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I have a neighbour a few houses down who is a hoarder, has a dozen or more cats, is weird as hell. In RIVER HEIGHTS!!! But he hurts no one.

I don't know most of the peeps in the other houses around me, but they could be drug users, alcoholics, child molesters... Or not.

My concern is building an apartment with 50 suites of the more troubled of society next door to me or on Main Street. I would be okay to building it next door to you though JTF. Smile

Miz point · 65 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 11:41 am

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grumpy old man wrote:I know you do.

Put the right people in the right house and manage it properly and I'd be fine with it. Christ JTF I have zero control over my neighbours now and I can assure you I've had some really shitty neighbours that are supposedly "normal" and...

Imagine our sandbox neighbour living next door to you? and...

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Guest · 66 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 5:32 pm

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Perhaps if the people had the chance to own what they live in , they would take time to care about it .

Goth_chic · 67 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 5:36 pm

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Pavolo wrote:Perhaps if the people had the chance to own what they live in , they would take time to care about it .

Maybe they would. First they need jobs and a down payment to buy a house and be able to afford a mortgage. I am all for ownership as long as people pay for these homes with their own cash and not tax dollars.

Guest · 68 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 5:43 pm

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Yes very true but the example of Houses For Humanity works even for the poor of this world , after all we all aren't equal in live .

grumpy old man · 69 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 6:04 pm

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The notion of land ownership is only germane on reserves. Off the reserves Indians have every right to home ownership...

Does anyone know how many Indians in Manitoba live on reserves and off reserves? I recall hearing the number was about 50%.

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Guest · 71 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 8:38 pm

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Taken from University Of Wpg study done last year.

Most Winnipeggers are of European descent, and/or classify themselves as Canadian. Over 8% of Winnipeg population is Aboriginal, and it is the city's second fastest-growing ethnic group. Non-aboriginal visible minorities make up 16.3% of Winnipeg's population. Winnipeg is home to 38,155 people of Filipino descent, or roughly 6% of the total population.^[69] This is the city's fastest growing minority group, with Winnipeg having the highest concentration of persons of Filipino origin in Canada, and the second largest Filipino population in Canada after Toronto

Guest · 72 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Sun May 02, 2010 8:40 pm

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grumpy old man wrote:The notion of land ownership is only germane on reserves. Off the reserves Indians have every right to home ownership...

Does anyone know how many Indians in Manitoba live on reserves and off reserves? I recall hearing the number was about 50%.

As was said earlier you have to have a job and that is not easy for a race most whites have bad preconceived notions about , some warranted some not .

Guest · 73 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Mon May 03, 2010 9:11 am

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grumpy old man wrote:I know you do.

Put the right people in the right house and manage it properly and I'd be fine with it. Christ JTF I have zero control over my neighbours now and I can assure you I've had some really shitty neighbours that are supposedly "normal" and...

Imagine our sandbox neighbour living next door to you? and...

Is there anyone here that would buy a house right next door to a Manitoba Housing development?

'Nuf said.

Miz point · 74 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Mon May 03, 2010 9:15 am

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There are a few on here that live very close to a MB Housing development of the large, gulag-type. Not us thank goodness.

Guest · 75 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Mon May 03, 2010 9:19 am

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I asked if anyone would buy a house right next door to one.

Goth_chic · 76 Re: Dry Bell Hotel up for debate Mon May 03, 2010 9:21 am

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JTF wrote:I asked if anyone would buy a house right next door to one.

I would never buy a house next door to MB Housing. I don't know of anyone who would.

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