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WiseUp.com launches Photo Radar Public Awareness Campaign

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Traffic calming devises such as road humps are not something you can use on a major artery like Balmoral or Sargent. Yes there have been some pretty serious car accidents as well as pedestrian accidents (I have witnessed numerous ones both vehicle and tragically pedestrian). I haven't driven past there since the camera was put up so I don't know which direction it is aimed to catch. Logically it should catch those who are putting the kids at most risk which would be the north bound but then the argument for the south bound could be made as there is the crosswalk that is a block away that also has had numerous pedestrian accidents. I know most on here feel these things are a cash grab and to some extent some are, but if the cameras that are set up at school intersections save even one child's life, I say go for it and make them permanent, not part of the rotation.

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"Traffic calming devises such as road humps are not something you can use on a major artery like Balmoral or Sargent."

Ahh... see I disagree with that. you can use traffic calming anywhere. There are more options then just road humps. But it gets to the point where there is less concern for safety and more concern for traffic flow. Delicate balance.

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From what I've witnessed, any collisions with pedestrians at the crosswalk at Qu'Appelle most probably are the result of the pedestrians ignorance and not the motorists.

You can't just push the button and walk into the crosswalk like many do.

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JTF wrote:From what I've witnessed, any collisions with pedestrians at the crosswalk at Qu'Appelle most probably are the result of the pedestrians ignorance and not the motorists.

You can't just push the button and walk into the crosswalk like many do.

true.. it is very brutal there. often with the people who do it glaring at anyone in the vehicles in a threatening manner... like they own the land/road or something

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A long-awaited independent report on the effectiveness of Winnipeg’s photo enforcement program has been delayed again.

And it’s not expected to be completed until late 2010, well after the October civic election.

The city and police have been promising since 2005 to commission an in-depth analysis on whether photo radar and red-light cameras — introduced in 2003 — are meeting their long-term goals of reducing collisions and injuries.

The city hired the Traffic Injury Research Foundation to perform the study. After numerous delays, the study was supposed to be complete by 2009. But a year later, there’s still no report and police officials now say it won’t be finished until late 2010 at the earliest.

“Setbacks related to the ongoing development and testing of monitoring equipment resulted in delays with the expected completion date now being late 2010,” police say in their 2009 photo enforcement annual report.

Under a conditions of authority agreement between the city and the province, police are supposed to produce annual statistics on how photo enforcement is reducing collisions and injuries, including the severity of injuries.

However, the annual reports from police have been grossly incomplete with no collision and injury data whatsoever related to photo radar and limited crash and injury numbers for intersection cameras.

Despite that, the province has refused to enforce the terms of the agreement, allowing the annual reports to be submitted late and without the required data and analysis.

It’s something the city auditor’s department pointed out as far back as 2006 in its own review of the city’s photo enforcement program.

The auditor concluded that until controlled studies and analysis were carried out for photo enforcement, police would be unable to conclude whether the program is achieving its long-term goals.

“Without this key performance information in the future, the WPS will not be able to demonstrate that the photo enforcement program has achieved its stated outcomes,” the audit report stated.

Four years later, there’s still no report.

Meanwhile, the city has expanded photo enforcement in the absence of that performance information. Police doubled the number of mobile photo radar vehicles to 10 from five in 2006. And they’ve increased the number of intersection cameras to 33 from 30 which rotate through 50 locations, up from 48 in 2006.

Why would the city expand a traffic enforcement program without the demonstrated evidence it’s reducing collisions and injuries?

It certainly lends credence to the argument the program is more about the money than about safety. The city knows with certainty that by expanding photo radar and red-light cameras they will increase revenues. What they don’t know is whether the expansion will reduce collisions and injuries.

Does planting a photo radar vehicle on Portage Avenue, Pembina Highway or McPhillips Street in a “school zone” on Sundays in July really reduce collisions and injuries?

If it does, there is no data to support it.

Police have massively expanded photo radar in construction zones, even when no workers are present.

It has made money for them. But the city has no statistics at all to demonstrate how that has reduced collisions and injuries to construction workers.

The city has a responsibility to ensure that data is gathered and made public.

And the province has an obligation to enforce its conditions of authority agreement with the city.

After all, photo radar exists under provincial legislation.

And so far, there is no evidence this program is working.

For more, visit Brodbeck’s blog Raise a Little Hell.

Reach Tom by e-mail at tom.brodbeck@sunmedia.ca

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Remember, it's all about safety...

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"will be released sometime following the next Civic election". How disgusting. If Judy Aphabet doesn't make hay with this issue then she's a true, dead, left-winger.

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Judy has lost all chance of making hay with any issue. Her inability to articulate what her actual platform is, even though she has had months and months of prep has shown a huge number of former supporters that she will not be able to do the job effectively and that she is not leadership material.

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She and Wowchuk should get out of politics and start a knitting circle....something more suitable to their level of competence ....

Deank

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Then they would not need to dye their hair for public announcements?


I gotta say, for a person who has been such a supporter/frontwoman for woman's rights Judy dyeing her hair for her "announcement" about nothing at the forks really showed her true colours.

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LOL...her true colours eh?

St Norberter

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The problem with photo radar in this city is that it is not being used for what the government says it is to be used for,

While the government says it is about safety, it is actually about increased revenue generation.

If the government was really concerned about safety they would set up the radar signboards that indicated for drivers to slow down ( like what was used on the south perimeter). But being proactive means less revenue.

If the government was really concerned about children's safety they would set up photo radar in school zones before and after school, when kids get out. Instead they set them up in school zones art 9pm or 7am on a Sunday morning or 6pm Sat. evening. When was the last time you saw a photo radar van parked in a school zone in school hours. But the welfare of our children means less revenue.

Overall I have no problem if the government says we will put photo radar up where we want, when we want. But don't insult our intelligence and use safety as an excuse for a revenue grab when clearly the government doesn't care about safety.

http://bgilchrist.wordpress.com/

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"When was the last time you saw a photo radar van parked in a school zone in school hours."

A couple of years ago, and the operator was asleep.

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By TOM BRODBECK, Winnipeg Sun I see Winnipeg police brass have finally admitted they were wrong to use photo radar in construction zones with speed reduction signs that read “when passing workers.”

Police announced Thursday they will no longer use photo radar vehicles in those circumstances. Instead, they will use traditional enforcement methods with real cops.

It’s about time.

Read story here.

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This nicely illustrates why people must fight these moronic "safety" measures. Make it truly about safety, and then the complaints disappear.

Good work by everyone involved in fighting the people responsible for the cash grabs.

Kudos to WiseUp et al.

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Thanks for that Grumpy. Some bigger concessions/admissions still to come. Somebody will be politcally wearing this scheme soon so look for the upcoming elections to cause the facts to become mainstream. Several of these disgusting politico's and bureaucrats are no doubt just trying to get to the end of their term or retirement. They will be ashamed of themselves. Look for the fall report to blow the ass off this scam. An inquiry should ensue.

Jondo

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Thanks for that Grumpy. Some bigger concessions/admissions still to come. Somebody will be politcally wearing this scheme soon so look for the upcoming elections to cause the facts to become mainstream. Several of these disgusting politico's and bureaucrats are no doubt just trying to get to the end of their term or retirement. They will be ashamed of themselves. Look for the fall report to blow the ass off this scam. An inquiry should ensue.

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Latest wfp poll on photo radar, for what it's worth:
Do you believe photo radar works properly?
Yes: 26% (500 votes)
No: 74% (1399 votes)
TOTAL VOTES: 1899

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