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26Smoking ban faces latest challenge - Page 2 Empty Re: Smoking ban faces latest challenge Tue Jan 13, 2009 2:11 pm

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I agree that it is all about priorities and choice but when your priority is feeding your child you make that choice to keep them fed regardless. And a lot of the obese children you see are from the low economic families. And if the choice is having to walk to get your groceries, where would you walk to in this weather, the corner store for a package of $.50 ramen noodles or to the grocery store 10 blocks or more for a salad and fixings, all the while having to bring your child with you. Yes it is all about choice but there are many things involved in those choices that lead these families, especially the single moms where they make the unhealthy choice.
An piece taken from the Winnipeg Harvest site with regards to budget and healthy eating.
  • Children rely on Winnipeg Harvest because their parents waste money gambling and smoking.

    Almost half of the people who are poor in Canada are single mothers. Manitoba continues to have among the worst child poverty rates in the country. Children are poor because their parents are poor. A Canadian study shows after a marriage separation, women immediately lose 23% of family income. Poor people spend a disproportionate amount of their incomes on rent and often take money from their food budget to cover shelter expenses. Parents who are poor routinely report going without food themselves to make sure their children eat. Cigarettes are an addiction and many believe smoking helps reduce depression and suppress appetites. Lottery tickets and other forms of gambling are advertised representing hope of escape.


  • Poor people don’t know how to budget properly.

    People working full time earning minimum wage make just over $16,575 (before tax) annually. Welfare rates are similar. It costs over $7,000 annually to rent a two bedroom apartment. It takes much creativity, and sacrifice, to pay for everything else on just $5,000 annually: food, transportation, clothing, heating, phone, childcare, medications and dental care. Budgeting is not the problem. Not enough money to make ends meet is the problem, leading many to the food bank.



  • UPDATED November 2008 Source: Winnipeg Harvest Inc.

    27Smoking ban faces latest challenge - Page 2 Empty Re: Smoking ban faces latest challenge Tue Jan 13, 2009 2:16 pm

    grumpy old man

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    This has been said before, and it may sound insensitive but... If you are a two income family just eking out a living on minimum wage then don't even think about having children. Yet those that can least afford it are having three, four, more children.

    Much of that is from a group that see's welfare as a right. Multi-generations are raised in that world. Arriving with more children are larger welfare cheques...

    28Smoking ban faces latest challenge - Page 2 Empty Re: Smoking ban faces latest challenge Tue Jan 13, 2009 2:24 pm

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    I didn't have a car for many years..I walked or took the bus to Safeway or Superstore. I didn't have children to support at that time but I fed myself healthy foods. We have a hand in our own destiny. My ex's Dad was raised on welfare the 2nd of 11 children all of whom had different fathers, he vowed to NEVER EVER be on welfare and he never has been. He went to school and received a degree. While yes I feel sorry for those who are poor and are working hard to overcome...I don't feel sorry for those (who I see on a regular basis at the local Giant Tiger) who are taking cabs, buying tobacco, chips and pop instead of feeding their children healthy foods. Bananas are 1.99 for 2lbs at Giant Tiger....Chips are more expensive.

    As for the whole Winnipeg Harvest thing...I use to donate to them and believe in them and what they were doing but that was before they chose to feed the strikers at WFP. I will NEVER donate to them again. I don't trust them.

    29Smoking ban faces latest challenge - Page 2 Empty Re: Smoking ban faces latest challenge Tue Jan 13, 2009 2:34 pm

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    GC...while I admire your successes...I will hazard the assumption that you are the exception.

    That you've recovered from many obstacles in life...where MOST people only find more reason to fail.

    The fact that they are unWILLING to even try, is my problem with charity. Handing out free support to those who expect it, or those who are unwilling to even attempt to help themselves is pointless.

    "Society" in most places of the world, has decided that letting someone die is wrong. That it's inhuman to let the weak go, and that supporting them is a sign of strength. It's not really. Because the recipients learn nothing, except that they can survive without doing anything for it...other than to ask for more.

    For those who realize they are falling and choose to catch themselves. To try to turn their life around and recover...those are the ones who should be receiving assistance.

    To bring back on topic...if a smoker decides they want to quit...by all means...let's help support them and offer them a "patch" or program to get them off the addiction. If someone has let themselves "go", and has become obese/morbidly obese...and they've decided they want to recover their bodies...by all means...let's help them out.

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    30Smoking ban faces latest challenge - Page 2 Empty Re: Smoking ban faces latest challenge Tue Jan 13, 2009 2:49 pm

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    And getting back on topic, if you want to have the casinos in or on your reserve and licensed by the province then follow the same set of rules as everyone else or no license. I have only been to South Beach once and most of the patrons there are not native, are senior or close to and there were few outside smoking. I would think that if I wanted a casino and people to plug their money into the machines, I would want people who have extra money to spend and if they are spending on smokes, then their extra money can't put the gas in the car to get to the casino. To me it is a win win situation to have no smoking in the casinos because now you are also drawing in the people who don't want to be around (or can't be around) the smoke as well to throw their money away.
    Smoking in the casinos is one reason I won't go to some of the nicer ones in the States for the concerts they offer (I don't gamble, my money is to precious to throw away)

    31Smoking ban faces latest challenge - Page 2 Empty Re: Smoking ban faces latest challenge Tue Jan 13, 2009 2:52 pm

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    AGEsAces wrote:GC...while I admire your successes...I will hazard the assumption that you are the exception.

    That you've recovered from many obstacles in life...where MOST people only find more reason to fail.

    The fact that they are unWILLING to even try, is my problem with charity. Handing out free support to those who expect it, or those who are unwilling to even attempt to help themselves is pointless.

    "Society" in most places of the world, has decided that letting someone die is wrong. That it's inhuman to let the weak go, and that supporting them is a sign of strength. It's not really. Because the recipients learn nothing, except that they can survive without doing anything for it...other than to ask for more.

    For those who realize they are falling and choose to catch themselves. To try to turn their life around and recover...those are the ones who should be receiving assistance.

    To bring back on topic...if a smoker decides they want to quit...by all means...let's help support them and offer them a "patch" or program to get them off the addiction. If someone has let themselves "go", and has become obese/morbidly obese...and they've decided they want to recover their bodies...by all means...let's help them out.

    I never grew up on welfare...my Dad worked his butt off. But when I first moved out of my parents house I was lacking cash. I didn't have cable TV, I had very few furnishings, but I always had food in my fridge and my bills were always paid....I don't understand this entitlement attitude. Some chic has unprotected sex, gets pregnant, has a baby with no daddy around and we the taxpayers have to support it. It seems no one is accountable for their actions. Very sad

    Yes I agree. I would gladly support those who want to improve their health and fitness.

    32Smoking ban faces latest challenge - Page 2 Empty Re: Smoking ban faces latest challenge Tue Jan 13, 2009 2:52 pm

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    holly golightly wrote:And getting back on topic, if you want to have the casinos in or on your reserve and licensed by the province then follow the same set of rules as everyone else or no license. I have only been to South Beach once and most of the patrons there are not native, are senior or close to and there were few outside smoking. I would think that if I wanted a casino and people to plug their money into the machines, I would want people who have extra money to spend and if they are spending on smokes, then their extra money can't put the gas in the car to get to the casino. To me it is a win win situation to have no smoking in the casinos because now you are also drawing in the people who don't want to be around (or can't be around) the smoke as well to throw their money away.
    Smoking in the casinos is one reason I won't go to some of the nicer ones in the States for the concerts they offer (I don't gamble, my money is to precious to throw away)

    I guess smoking is still allowed in Vegas??? Personally, I would have a really hard time being in a room full of smoke.

    33Smoking ban faces latest challenge - Page 2 Empty Re: Smoking ban faces latest challenge Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:06 pm

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    I have never been to Vegas but I do know that there are some in North Dakota and Minnesota that still allow smoking. I have a hard time being around someone who has just come in from outside after having a smoke (and I only quit smoking 7 years ago). The smell makes me nauseous (as well as regret all the years I wasted on my front steps).

    34Smoking ban faces latest challenge - Page 2 Empty Re: Smoking ban faces latest challenge Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:18 pm

    Goth_chic

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    holly golightly wrote:I have never been to Vegas but I do know that there are some in North Dakota and Minnesota that still allow smoking. I have a hard time being around someone who has just come in from outside after having a smoke (and I only quit smoking 7 years ago). The smell makes me nauseous (as well as regret all the years I wasted on my front steps).

    I smoked at one point...I grew up in a smoking house. Everyone in my family smoked...the only person who still smokes is my Dad, everyone else is either dead or has quit. I crave a cigarettes in summer while sipping on a cold beer outside.

    35Smoking ban faces latest challenge - Page 2 Empty Re: Smoking ban faces latest challenge Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:26 pm

    AGEsAces

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    I smoked for about 6 months, when I was in the Army. It was more "social" than anything else...because "everyone" was doing it. When I left that environment...I quit...I only remember ever buying one pack of cigarettes myself anyway...usually I just "bummed" one Smile. My dad smoked till I was about 5...then he caught me puffing on one of his butts going "I'm just like dad"...and he quit that day.

    I know Warroads Casino has smoking on the floor. They have 'non-smoking' tables...which is funny because they are next to the 'smoking' tables.

    The reason Casinos want to allow smoking (and why Vegas still does), is people gamble more when they are "relaxed". The analogy above of those with more money (cause they aren't spending on cigarettes) is a poor one. Smoking tends to offer a stress relief...so if somone is losing money and can sit and smoke...they will spend more...if they have money. If not...they will leave the table to go have a cigarette...and may "come to their senses" and not return to gamble more. It's the same reason drinks are free (in Vegas), as alcohol provides the same chemical change.

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    36Smoking ban faces latest challenge - Page 2 Empty Re: Smoking ban faces latest challenge Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:30 pm

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    Drinks are not technically free in Vegas...you must tip the waitress a pretty generous amount each time or she won't be coming back with anymore.

    37Smoking ban faces latest challenge - Page 2 Empty Re: Smoking ban faces latest challenge Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:42 pm

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    "When it is $20.00 to feed a family of 4 at McDonalds"
    ....eat at burger king and get pretty much the same meal for almost 50% less in cost.

    38Smoking ban faces latest challenge - Page 2 Empty Re: Smoking ban faces latest challenge Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:45 pm

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    Deank wrote:"When it is $20.00 to feed a family of 4 at McDonalds"
    ....eat at burger king and get pretty much the same meal for almost 50% less in cost.

    Yes because Burger King is so much more healthy...burger king is just as gross if not grosser then McDicks.

    39Smoking ban faces latest challenge - Page 2 Empty Re: Smoking ban faces latest challenge Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:45 pm

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    holly golightly wrote: (as well as regret all the years I wasted on my front steps).

    lol!

    40Smoking ban faces latest challenge - Page 2 Empty Re: Smoking ban faces latest challenge Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:00 pm

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    Goth_chic wrote:
    Deank wrote:"When it is $20.00 to feed a family of 4 at McDonalds"
    ....eat at burger king and get pretty much the same meal for almost 50% less in cost.

    Yes because Burger King is so much more healthy...burger king is just as gross if not grosser then McDicks.

    yeah but its cheaper Smile

    41Smoking ban faces latest challenge - Page 2 Empty Re: Smoking ban faces latest challenge Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:01 pm

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    Goth_chic wrote:Drinks are not technically free in Vegas...you must tip the waitress a pretty generous amount each time or she won't be coming back with anymore.

    Really? That explains a lot Wink.

    Actually...the drinks ARE complimentary...the SERVICE is not Smile.

    But...if you're there for the drinks...what you do is order a drink...and when it comes, just say "thank you". After the hostess leaves, you get up and move to another area. There's probably about 50 areas in each casino, and a hundred or so casinos...so you can get PLENTY of drinks for free Very Happy.

    But...if you're in Vegas...you're probably NOT there for the free drinks Very Happy

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    42Smoking ban faces latest challenge - Page 2 Empty Re: Smoking ban faces latest challenge Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:07 pm

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    They don't call them "sliders" for nothing.............

    43Smoking ban faces latest challenge - Page 2 Empty Re: Smoking ban faces latest challenge Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:12 pm

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    ugg those White Castle Sliders are disgusstingly delicous and make me physically sick... but its sort of worth it

    heh.. when I was younger I ate almost exclusively at 7-11 and McDs. 59 cent hamburger... how could there be anything wrong with that?

    slap some ketchup and relish on there and you are getting 3 of the 4 food groups... trade up a level and get the cheeseburger and you get all 4 food groups.

    Now really can anything be a more nutricious meal then including ALL FOUR FOOD GROUPS in every mouthful?

    $3.00 per day and you eat like a KING!

    44Smoking ban faces latest challenge - Page 2 Empty Re: Smoking ban faces latest challenge Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:23 pm

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    You can't be serious? I am surprised you are still alive after clogging your arteries with crap.

    45Smoking ban faces latest challenge - Page 2 Empty Re: Smoking ban faces latest challenge Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:27 pm

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    You should see my diet!

    http://www.conceitedjerk.com

    46Smoking ban faces latest challenge - Page 2 Empty Re: Smoking ban faces latest challenge Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:29 pm

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    Hey...they have TRIPLE-Whoppers at Burger King!!!

    Did you know that? I didn't know that...but NOW I do Very Happy

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    47Smoking ban faces latest challenge - Page 2 Empty Re: Smoking ban faces latest challenge Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:30 pm

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    Great-Grandpa burger at A&W!

    http://www.conceitedjerk.com

    48Smoking ban faces latest challenge - Page 2 Empty Re: Smoking ban faces latest challenge Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:35 pm

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    oh man just kicked back a triple stacker from Burger king... that is an awsome burger... all meat and cheese.. none of those nasty veggies to distract you.

    49Smoking ban faces latest challenge - Page 2 Empty Re: Smoking ban faces latest challenge Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:36 pm

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    Goth_chic wrote:You can't be serious? I am surprised you are still alive after clogging your arteries with crap.
    totally serious.. well that diet plus a freak load of alcohol...

    heh had a friend who saved money by eating nothing but those packages of noodles for 6 months straight.

    and I mean NOTHING but those...
    now that was a bad diet.

    50Smoking ban faces latest challenge - Page 2 Empty Re: Smoking ban faces latest challenge Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:36 pm

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    Meat should be consumed sparingly...not devoured on a daily basis. Excuse me while I go vomit. Suspect

    51Smoking ban faces latest challenge - Page 2 Empty Re: Smoking ban faces latest challenge Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:37 pm

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    Deank wrote:
    Goth_chic wrote:You can't be serious? I am surprised you are still alive after clogging your arteries with crap.
    totally serious.. well that diet plus a freak load of alcohol...

    heh had a friend who saved money by eating nothing but those packages of noodles for 6 months straight.

    and I mean NOTHING but those...
    now that was a bad diet.

    Not even close to as bad as your diet. Ewwwwww

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