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Aboriginal leaders in Manitoba call for ban on sale of yeast

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grumpy old man

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Wow. Extreme measures. Can a ban on yeast sales to Aboriginals even be enforced? As a store owner how can you deny this sale to anyone? What would be the implication legally speaking?
WINNIPEG — Young aboriginal leaders in Manitoba are asking the provincial government to ban the sale of brewer's yeast to all First Nations people in the province — a desperate bid to curb the production of a potent form of home-brewed liquor linked to rising levels of assaults, domestic violence and suicides in their communities.

The Island Lake Regional Youth Council met with provincial cabinet ministers in the fall and asked for a province-wide law prohibiting the sale of brewer's yeast to all First Nations people in Manitoba, said council member Saul Harper. The unusual, race-based prohibition would force retailers throughout Manitoba to ask for identification and refuse First Nations customers trying to buy brewer's yeast, the main ingredient in so-called "super juice."

"Get the status cards being checked. The ones that are First Nations status cards, they won't be allowed to serve them," said Harper, 31, who represents Wasagamack First Nation on the four-member council.

The council blames super juice for increasing levels of violence and death in their communities, roughly 600 kilometres northeast of Winnipeg. "We've had so many super juice-related deaths, I lost count," said council member Bobby Monias of Garden Hill. "Super juice suicides, super juice gang violence, beatings. So many other things and super juice was almost always a factor in everything that happened.

"But a race-based ban on the purchase of a legal product simply won't fly, said one human rights expert.

"Under human rights legislation, any kind of public service that is denied on the basis of one of the protected characteristics, and that would include ethnic origin and ancestry, is likely to be found discriminatory," said Dianna Scarth, executive director of the Manitoba Human Rights Commission."

It's denying something to a human being on the basis of their race," said Damon Johnston, president of the Aboriginal Council of Winnipeg. "Refusing to sell something to someone on the basis of race is not permissible.

"Super juice is a potent alcoholic drink that can be brewed quickly from simple ingredients, but it sells in northern communities for as much as $40 a litre.

It's made from brewer's yeast, sugar, and water left to ferment for 48 hours, often in five-gallon pails hidden in the bush.

Provincial Minister of Aboriginal and Northern Affairs Eric Robinson said super juice is so potent it quickly turns addicts away from beer.

"Super juice is becoming the number 1 problem very quickly," he said.

Harper said alcohol has been banned from Island Lake First Nations "as far back as you can remember. It's always been a dry reserve."

He said yeast has been banned from Island Lake First Nations for about three years. If people want to bring in yeast for bread-making, they must make special arrangements.

Robinson confirmed that the law was discussed during the last provincial round table with the Island Lake Youth Council.

"We're obviously as concerned about the issue as they are, and it's caused a lot of grief in the communities. As to whether you can ban it or not legally, I really don't know.

"Provincial ministers will travel to Island Lake First Nations for a round table with the youth council this spring.© Copyright (c) Winnipeg Free Press

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On the one hand they scream racism everytime an incident happens with the city police. And yet here they are demanding a ban on brewers yeast pretty much based on race. If we did in fact ban the product this would be twisted around on us and the government would once again be the bad guy. I say enough already, let the bands dig deeper then brewers yeast and deal with personal issues that lead to this behavior.

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eastsider wrote:On the one hand they scream racism everytime an incident happens with the city police. And yet here they are demanding a ban on brewers yeast pretty much based on race. If we did in fact ban the product this would be twisted around on us and the government would once again be the bad guy. I say enough already, let the bands dig deeper then brewers yeast and deal with personal issues that lead to this behavior.

Most stores in the North End ban mouthwash and Lysol sales to aboriginals. When I was younger I had a friend who worked at the Shoppers on Main St and she said they refused to see Aboriginals mouthwash or Lysol but if a white person came in they would sell it no problem.

grumpy old man

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I see the Lysol and mouthwash thing. Not likely to use those ingredients to make food though. Yeast can be argued as a food staple (bread and ???). Tough call no matter the substance.

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We should encourage the sale of yeast.

These people should be encouraged to make their "Super Juice".

There must be a hellava' market that they could target and make millions.

Goth_chic

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grumpy old man wrote:I see the Lysol and mouthwash thing. Not likely to use those ingredients to make food though. Yeast can be argued as a food staple (bread and ???). Tough call no matter the substance.

How is that any different? So every Indian is drinking mouthwash or lysol? Isn't that what we are saying if we ban household products? I say let people do whatever they want. If they want to drink mouthwash then so be it....if they want to use yeast to make alcohol then whatever.

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Sad to say that there circumstance , has lead to this behavior . The despair is bigger on the reserves then most of us comprehend. Poverty is a fact of life and has to be addressed , for the blame game has gone on to long .

holly golightly

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Hey at least the communities have acknowledged that there is a serious problem and are trying to address it, no matter if it seems to be racial or not. Another way they could get around it is simple, a prescription type of system where unless you have a bakery or baker's certificate you can't but the brewer's yeast. Instead of asking for a status card, ask for the license to prove you are actually using it to bake bread. If that person is then found to be using the brewer's yeast for things other than baking then strip them of the license and this will also mean they won't be able to purchase the yeast.

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So only those who have bakery licenses can buy yeast? That is Fricked up! Where do we draw the line? What's next to be banned?

EdWin

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Goth_chic wrote: What's next to be banned?

Rap music, followed by the internet; all evil!

Miz point

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I can see it now....stores being jacked for yeast. This is stupid. Remember when the sale of bitters and chinese cooking wine were banned?

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You said it GC

The problem is not the stores selling the products. It's not even the people buying the products.

It's the problems on the reserves themselves. It's the problems with the individuals drinking, sniffing, snorting the products.

So deal with the problems...not the products.

Blocking sales of lysol, mouthwash, yeast...those are all forms of prohibition...whether it targets a race or not. It's bad enough the government regulates so much as it is. Alcohol, tobacco, drugs are all under prohibition/tax laws...this is no different...it's just targeting who's prohibited (like under-age, or criminals).

Let them drink it...let them kill each other off...then the problem goes away quicker.

If you ban the sales...then it just takes them longer to get the stuff, demand increases, supply drops, despair increases...and crime rises because they start stealing more to fulfill their habits.

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Ages got it right. This is just a sham to put the blame elsewhere. It goes back to simple personal responsibility. Is banning yeast the most important thing that the First Nations leadership can come up with?

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Forgetabout yeast, these guys should ban sugar on the reserves...judging from the incidence of obesity on them.

Deank

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This is so stupid.

Buyer... I want brewers yeast
seller... Do you have a treaty status card?
Buyer... No.
Seller .. here you go

sheesh or are the Natives who are asking for this ban saying their people are so stupid they would not know how to lie to say that they are not status indians?

grumpy old man

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Deank wrote:...or are the Natives who are asking for this ban saying their people are so stupid they would not know how to lie to say that they are not status indians?
Ummm. Never mind.

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It should work as well as the bozze ban depends what you wanna pay.

Triniman

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Alcohol - the cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems.

Homer J. Simpson.

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ignorance is funny.
every bucket of super juice will produce four and a half gallons of goodness and a half a gallon of sludge at the bottom with enough live yeast to supply the whole reserve forever.

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For the record, Brewer's yeast isn't normally used to make bread. It is used in the production of Vegemite, though...

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Goth_chic

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Airt Mattrèssor wrote:For the record, Brewer's yeast isn't normally used to make bread. It is used in the production of Vegemite, though...

Which is important especially if you come from a land down under.

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...where women glow and men plunder?

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Goth_chic

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can't you hear can't you hear the thunder?

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Deank wrote:
sheesh or are the Natives who are asking for this ban saying their people are so stupid they would not know how to lie to say that they are not status indians?

You know the old saying, "Locks only keep out honest people". Such a prohibition would only prevent some natives from buying brewer's yeast legally.

Where there's a will, there's a way, and the prohibition may serve only to create an underground brewer's yeast market, as odd as that sounds.

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This is just the first step in the process of making users of yeast register with the government I tell ya. It's a big plot to start another registry.

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