GENOCIDES- It Is Good To See That Countries Learn Over Time

In no particular order 20th Century

Bosnia
Darfur
Rwanda
Hutis versus the Tutsis
Armenia
Sri Lanka
Cambodia
Croatia
Sudan
Russia with the Ukraines in 1920-21
Holodomor
Katyn
Assyrian

Then we have Canada with the Aboriginals, and the Inuik in the Arctic

USA against their Aboriginals
USA in Iraq
USA in Viet Nam

Pretty impressive list, and I ignored several that I could not spell

Rosie. If only we would have had that damn human gripes wipes rights museum built years ago, none of those things would have taken place.

However, going forward, if it only saves one genocide....

I don't think any Museum would save any genocide because the museums are in the wrong countries, and further more killers don't go to Museums!
The fact of the matter the USA and Canada are as guilty as the other countries.
It is a mindset perhaps, to pick on the less fortunate and then hope that they aren't armed.

Where are you getting USA & Vietnam or Iraq as genocides?

Let's see some information to back those up.

1900-2000: A century of genocides


Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) 49-78,000,000

Jozef Stalin (USSR, 1932-39) 23,000,000 (the purges plus Ukraine's famine)

Adolf Hitler (Germany, 1939-1945) 12,000,000 (concentration camps and civilians WWII)

Leopold II of Belgium (Congo, 1886-1908)

Hideki Tojo (Japan, 1941-44) 5,000,000 (civilians in WWII)

Ismail Enver (Turkey, 1915-20) 1,200,000 Armenians (1915) + 350,000 Greek Pontians and 480,000 Anatolian Greeks (1916-22) + 500,000 Assyrians (1915-20)

Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000

Kim Il Sung (North Korea, 1948-94) 1.6 million (purges and concentration camps)

Menghistu (Ethiopia, 1975-78) 1,500,000

Yakubu Gowon (Biafra, 1967-1970) 1,000,000

Leonid Brezhnev (Afghanistan, 1979-1982) 900,000

Jean Kambanda (Rwanda, 1994) 800,000

Suharto (East Timor, West Papua, Communists, 1966-98) 800,000

Saddam Hussein (Iran 1980-1990 and Kurdistan 1987-88) 600,000

Tito (Yugoslavia, 1945-1987) 570,000

Fumimaro Konoe (Japan, 1937-39) 500,000? (Chinese civilians)

Jonas Savimbi (Angola, 1975-2002) 400,000

Mullah Omar - Taliban (Afghanistan, 1986-2001) 400,000

Idi Amin (Uganda, 1969-1979) 300,000

Yahya Khan (Pakistan, 1970-71) 300,000 (Bangladesh)

Benito Mussolini (Ethiopia, 1936; Libya, 1934-45; Yugoslavia, WWII) 300,000

Mobutu Sese Seko (Zaire, 1965-97) ?

Charles Taylor (Liberia, 1989-1996) 220,000

Foday Sankoh (Sierra Leone, 1991-2000) 200,000

Michel Micombero (Burundi, 1972) 150,000

Slobodan Milosevic (Yugoslavia, 1992-99) 100,000

Hassan Turabi (Sudan, 1989-1999) 100,000

Jean-Bedel Bokassa (Centrafrica, 1966-79) ?

Richard Nixon (Vietnam, 1969-1974) 70,000 (vietnamese civilians)

Efrain Rios Montt (Guatemala, 1982-83) 70,000

Papa Doc Duvalier (Haiti, 1957-71) 60,000

Hissene Habre (Chad, 1982-1990) 40,000

Chiang Kai-shek (Taiwan, 1947) 30,000 (popular uprising)

Vladimir Ilich Lenin (USSR, 1917-20) 30,000 (dissidents executed)

Francisco Franco (Spain) 30,000 (dissidents executed after the civil war)

Fidel Castro (Cuba, 1959-1999) 30,000

Lyndon Johnson (Vietnam, 1963-1968) 30,000

Hafez Al-Assad (Syria, 1980-2000) 25,000

Khomeini (Iran, 1979-89) 20,000

Robert Mugabe (Zimbabwe, 1982-87, Ndebele minority) 20,000

Rafael Videla (Argentina, 1976-83) 13,000

Guy Mollet (France, 1956-1957) 10,000 (war in Algeria)

Harold McMillans (Britain, 1952-56, Kenya's Mau-Mau rebellion) 10,000

Paul Koroma (Sierra Leone, 1997) 6,000

Osama Bin Laden (worldwide, 1993-2001) 3,500

Augusto Pinochet (Chile, 1973) 3,000

Al Zarqawi (Iraq, 2004-06) 2,000

rosencrentz wrote:I don't think any Museum would save any genocide because the museums are in the wrong countries, and further more killers don't go to Museums!

OMG!!!

Don't tell me that this museum will be a waste of money then??? I'm shocked.

JTF wrote:

rosencrentz wrote:I don't think any Museum would save any genocide because the museums are in the wrong countries, and further more killers don't go to Museums!

OMG!!!

Don't tell me that this museum will be a waste of money then??? I'm shocked.

WHAT!!?!?!??! thats an outrage!!!!!

The USA treatment of Indians and there was 1 well known massacre of a complete Indian village, the womwn and children included certainly meets the criteria of a genocide. Viet Nam, I believe 1 or 2 million Vietnamese were killed for trying to live "free" in their own country. There really was no known rationale for the USA to end up taking over from the French. The French outsmarted the USA.
Then we have the USA invading a sovereigh Iraq on bullcrap reasoning, and killing Iraqis who object to the USA being there(Tali Ban). This is a war, only in the mind of Bush and Cheney.
What a mess the USA has made there!
I personally think getting rid of that Killer Sadam, who was guilty of a real genocide, was a good thing, but that has left the country open to Iran being able to walk in and take over, if there was another war between the 2 countries.

So Rosie...you a Sadam Lover?

rosencrentz wrote:The USA treatment of Indians and there was 1 well known massacre of a complete Indian village, the womwn and children included certainly meets the criteria of a genocide.

I didn't question the Indian treatment...that could definitely be classed as a genocide.

Viet Nam, I believe 1 or 2 million Vietnamese were killed for trying to live "free" in their own country. There really was no known rationale for the USA to end up taking over from the French. The French outsmarted the USA.

Wrong answer. The US went in to keep the Vietnam government from torturing it's OWN people...and then it just became ugly. It would not qualify as a genocide. A tragedy sure...but by the definition of a genocide...definitely not.

Then we have the USA invading a sovereigh Iraq on bullcrap reasoning, and killing Iraqis who object to the USA being there(Tali Ban). This is a war, only in the mind of Bush and Cheney.

Again...not a genocide. Whatever reason the US invaded is irrelevant. They are NOT eradicating a race or religion in their attacks. They went in to remove a tyrant and secure an unstable region. Obviously it's not working as well as they thought it would...but the ultimate goal was achieved.


The apologies recently by the GG would imply that she thinks Canada should have done the same thing instead of letting the people continue to be tortured.

"but the ultimate goal was achieved."
destroying weapons of mass destruction?

Deank wrote:"but the ultimate goal was achieved."
destroying weapons of mass destruction?

you are a troll you know?

the ultimate goal was to remove Saddam...everyone knows it...the WMDs were to be an excuse for going in...because otherwise the world would've attacked the US as "conquerors" rather than "defenders".

But, but, but... George W SAID it was to destroy the WMD. You mean he LIED?

Too funny...

"the ultimate goal was to remove Saddam...everyone knows it..."

ahh revisionist history, gotta love it

call it what you like...but Saddam was the only goal...WMDs would've been a bonus...but they couldn't sneak them in fast enough.

"...but they couldn't sneak them in fast enough."

heheh... I snorted coffee out my nose on that one.

If Saddam was the only goal then why didn't Daddy Bush have him offed in a covert op during GW I? Christ.

The US does not assassinate people

Saddam wasn't the goal in the first push..

Saddam's forces had invaded a neighboring country...and the US sent troops in to repel him back behind his border...he wasn't considered a real psycho threat at that time.

Ummm, that was in 1990ish...

George W used WMD (or whatever) as an excuse to invade Iraq in retaliation for 9/11.

yes GOM...that's what she was referring to.

rosencrentz wrote:The USA treatment of Indians and there was 1 well known massacre of a complete Indian village, the womwn and children included certainly meets the criteria of a genocide. Viet Nam, I believe 1 or 2 million Vietnamese were killed for trying to live "free" in their own country. There really was no known rationale for the USA to end up taking over from the French. The French outsmarted the USA.
Then we have the USA invading a sovereigh Iraq on bullcrap reasoning, and killing Iraqis who object to the USA being there(Tali Ban). This is a war, only in the mind of Bush and Cheney.
What a mess the USA has made there!
I personally think getting rid of that Killer Sadam, who was guilty of a real genocide, was a good thing, but that has left the country open to Iran being able to walk in and take over, if there was another war between the 2 countries.

Incase you were not aware but Iraq and Iran use to be one country, and not just once.

they were also 20-30 country/kingdoms in the area at one time. Until one guy or the other decided to get tough and take out all the other people.

Deank wrote:they were also 20-30 country/kingdoms in the area at one time. Until one guy or the other decided to get tough and take out all the other people.

Its a vicious cycle that will only stop when the world explodes.

AGEsAces wrote:The US does not assassinate people

Saddam wasn't the goal in the first push..

Saddam's forces had invaded a neighboring country...and the US sent troops in to repel him back behind his border...he wasn't considered a real psycho threat at that time.

I find that last sentence hilarious.....of course the Bush regime, Daddy having been head of the CIA, knew that he and his two sons, especially Uday, were insane. But, whatever....he be dead now dude. hahaha

Bush new that Sadam had WMD because the U.S. sold them to him. We all seem to forget that little piece of info.