Racism???

Heh...did you know that it's illegal to bring a parachute on a commercial flight?

We are talking about AC.......anything goes, including customer service!

EdWin wrote:

death128 wrote:No, no, no. Wrong bottom line... lol

Bottom line is the driver made a mistake and tried to correct it with another mistake... every choice after that is irrelevant, really...

No no no. Right bottom line. Ever heard the expression "the customer is always right". If they asked to get off the bus, that was by their own accord. They are just as much to blame as the driver and Greyhound. Quite making excuses for them because they are indian.

See post 11.

death128 wrote:

EdWin wrote:

death128 wrote:No, no, no. Wrong bottom line... lol

Bottom line is the driver made a mistake and tried to correct it with another mistake... every choice after that is irrelevant, really...

No no no. Right bottom line. Ever heard the expression "the customer is always right". If they asked to get off the bus, that was by their own accord. They are just as much to blame as the driver and Greyhound. Quite making excuses for them because they are indian.

See post 11.

Post 11 noted. Once the native chiefs feel compelled to come out and make statements to the press for whatever reason, this becomes a race issue, perhaps in an indirect manner, or at least it gives members of the general public that impression. My statement stands.

death128 wrote:No, no, no. Wrong bottom line... lol

Bottom line is the driver made a mistake and tried to correct it with another mistake... every choice after that is irrelevant, really...

So what are you saying?
That aboriginals aren't smart enough to make their own decisions? That evey decision should be made by a non-aboriginal? If they decide something, then it should be approved by a non-aboriginal because they shouldn't be trusted to make their own decisions?
Ask Ron Evans how he feels about that? Ask him is he thinks aborignals aren't smart enough to think for themselves.
Take some individual responsibility. They asked to get off, the driver complied. STFU.

lol They were forced to make a choice of getting off and trying to catch their own ride for the last half hour (which they did) and staying on the bus (which some others did).

Either choice that they made were as a result of the bus driver turning the bus around which would have led to and extra 3.5 hours of travel.

death128 wrote:lol They were forced to make a choice of getting off and trying to catch their own ride for the last half hour (which they did) and staying on the bus (which some others did).

Either choice that they made were as a result of the bus driver turning the bus around which would have led to and extra 3.5 hours of travel.

How were they forced? They asked to get off the bus, the driver let them off. Why are they not held accountable for their own decisions? I am so sick and tired of that fricken race card being played, get over it already. Sheesh!

No one forced them to make that choice, that was completely up to them. They could have chosen to stay on the bus for the extra 3.5 hours and made complaints once they reached their destinations, what most logical people would do, as opposed to demanding that they be dumped off in the middle of the woods. They put themselves at risk for doing so.

The passengers need to take responsibility for their own free-will choices.

There is something wrong with the wiring of today's brains. The situation was a simple one. The driver forgot some people behind him. Two people to be exact. He had to make a decision - turn around or proceed. Greyhound must have a policy that they leave nobody behind, in error. So the announcement should have been made - we're tunring around and the trip will now be longer. If for some reason you (passenger/s) do not accept, then there is only one option - step off. Logic would dictate that you don't inconvenience 17 people for the sake of two but let's leave that aside. The issue becomes whether the people were kicked off or chose to get off. If they chose to get off then they can't declare themselves to be victims. We need a travelling court of common sense in this country that would hear the sides and then slam a gavel down in 15 minutes. Without that - we end up down the same road all the time - racism, hate crimes, discrimination, etc etc.

Goth_chic wrote:

death128 wrote:lol They were forced to make a choice of getting off and trying to catch their own ride for the last half hour (which they did) and staying on the bus (which some others did).

Either choice that they made were as a result of the bus driver turning the bus around which would have led to and extra 3.5 hours of travel.

How were they forced? They asked to get off the bus, the driver let them off. Why are they not held accountable for their own decisions? I am so sick and tired of that fricken race card being played, get over it already. Sheesh!

What? They chose for luck and they were accommodated. The driver chose to turn the bus around and he will be held accountable for HIS actions as this was HIS ship.

The others were forced to make a choice of having another 3.5 hours of travel time or getting off and hoping for a ride instead of wasting 3.5 hours of their time.

Please remember that they PAID for the service as well and expected a reasonable time frame for them to get home.

All the complaints are is that this type of negative service happens to Aboriginals more often than non-aboriginals in their eyes.

Jondo wrote:There is something wrong with the wiring of today's brains. The situation was a simple one. The driver forgot some people behind him. Two people to be exact. He had to make a decision - turn around or proceed. Greyhound must have a policy that they leave nobody behind, in error. So the announcement should have been made - we're tunring around and the trip will now be longer. If for some reason you (passenger/s) do not accept, then there is only one option - step off. Logic would dictate that you don't inconvenience 17 people for the sake of two but let's leave that aside. The issue becomes whether the people were kicked off or chose to get off. If they chose to get off then they can't declare themselves to be victims. We need a travelling court of common sense in this country that would hear the sides and then slam a gavel down in 15 minutes. Without that - we end up down the same road all the time - racism, hate crimes, discrimination, etc etc.

Nope. The only issue is that the driver fricked up and fricked up more afterwards.

The people on the bus made a choice. Stay or go. Some people made one choice and some people made another choice.

I'll make a law stating that I'll lock you up for 3.5 hours. You can either obey or be dropped off 0.5 hours out of the city. Make your choice right now. Some will choose one, some will choose the other. Either way it's my fault for making a stupid-ass law that won't hold up in any court.

death128 wrote:Nope. The only issue is that the driver fricked up and fricked up more afterwards.

The people on the bus made a choice. Stay or go. Some people made one choice and some people made another choice.

I'll make a law stating that I'll lock you up for 3.5 hours. You can either obey or be dropped off 0.5 hours out of the city. Make your choice right now. Some will choose one, some will choose the other. Either way it's my fault for making a stupid-ass law that won't hold up in any court.

Well, I guess it has to be determined if it was the driver or the Greyhound official that "ordered" him back.

But the last paragraph is one of the weakest arguments I have ever heard. there was no "law" in place. This sounds like a decsion made by people with free will, but with all things "racist", the blame must be firmly placed on someone else, preferably someone white. If you don't believe me, just ask the Chiefs.

Do we know for sure the driver was not native some up north are .

Freeman wrote:

death128 wrote:Nope. The only issue is that the driver fricked up and fricked up more afterwards.

The people on the bus made a choice. Stay or go. Some people made one choice and some people made another choice.

I'll make a law stating that I'll lock you up for 3.5 hours. You can either obey or be dropped off 0.5 hours out of the city. Make your choice right now. Some will choose one, some will choose the other. Either way it's my fault for making a stupid-ass law that won't hold up in any court.

Well, I guess it has to be determined if it was the driver or the Greyhound official that "ordered" him back.

But the last paragraph is one of the weakest arguments I have ever heard. there was no "law" in place. This sounds like a decsion made by people with free will, but with all things "racist", the blame must be firmly placed on someone else, preferably someone white. If you don't believe me, just ask the Chiefs.

See post 11.

death128 wrote:

Goth_chic wrote:

death128 wrote:lol They were forced to make a choice of getting off and trying to catch their own ride for the last half hour (which they did) and staying on the bus (which some others did).

Either choice that they made were as a result of the bus driver turning the bus around which would have led to and extra 3.5 hours of travel.

How were they forced? They asked to get off the bus, the driver let them off. Why are they not held accountable for their own decisions? I am so sick and tired of that fricken race card being played, get over it already. Sheesh!

What? They chose for luck and they were accommodated. The driver chose to turn the bus around and he will be held accountable for HIS actions as this was HIS ship.

The others were forced to make a choice of having another 3.5 hours of travel time or getting off and hoping for a ride instead of wasting 3.5 hours of their time.

Please remember that they PAID for the service as well and expected a reasonable time frame for them to get home.

All the complaints are is that this type of negative service happens to Aboriginals more often than non-aboriginals in their eyes.

Have you ever been on a plane? I have many many times and I have experienced delays galore, I have even been stranded overnight in Toronto due to weather. I PAID for my flights. I have had plenty of negative service over the years is it because I look white and am a woman?

They asked to get off the bus....end of story! Stupid is as stupid does. Tell me death128 aren't you yourself getting sick and tired of the constant claims of racism, when clearly none existed?

How many on that bus paid for their own ticket? From what I've read and saw on the news, most of the ones who elected to get off the bus didn't pay for the ticket, the taxpayer did.

The next time I have a flight cancelled, or hotel room double-booked - maybe I'll sue the entire hospitailty industry for racism against short, fat, white people. We'll have taxpayers pick up the cost of that multi-million dollar inquiry. I'll soon realize that may cause non-short, non-fat people to resent my people. And if we persist - maybe even begin to hate us.
Here's my suggestion for this group of bus-jumper victims - sue the driver personally (if they must) but leave the rest of us innocents out of the equation. Don't include us to your racism allegations. There should be a law against such reckless defamation. The problem is that Chiefs are above the law - apparently.

That's a good point Goth. If refunds are coming - they should go to the taxpayer.

Goth_chic wrote:

death128 wrote:

Goth_chic wrote:

death128 wrote:lol They were forced to make a choice of getting off and trying to catch their own ride for the last half hour (which they did) and staying on the bus (which some others did).

Either choice that they made were as a result of the bus driver turning the bus around which would have led to and extra 3.5 hours of travel.

How were they forced? They asked to get off the bus, the driver let them off. Why are they not held accountable for their own decisions? I am so sick and tired of that fricken race card being played, get over it already. Sheesh!

What? They chose for luck and they were accommodated. The driver chose to turn the bus around and he will be held accountable for HIS actions as this was HIS ship.

The others were forced to make a choice of having another 3.5 hours of travel time or getting off and hoping for a ride instead of wasting 3.5 hours of their time.

Please remember that they PAID for the service as well and expected a reasonable time frame for them to get home.

All the complaints are is that this type of negative service happens to Aboriginals more often than non-aboriginals in their eyes.

Have you ever been on a plane? I have many many times and I have experienced delays galore, I have even been stranded overnight in Toronto due to weather. I PAID for my flights. I have had plenty of negative service over the years is it because I look white and am a woman?

They asked to get off the bus....end of story! Stupid is as stupid does. Tell me death128 aren't you yourself getting sick and tired of the constant claims of racism, when clearly none existed?

How many on that bus paid for their own ticket? From what I've read and saw on the news, most of the ones who elected to get off the bus didn't pay for the ticket, the taxpayer did.

Aww, snap! You beat me to it! I think death128 is just making excuses because they are aboriginal. And if it's the case that WE as taxpaying citizens flipped the bill for their FREE RIDE, then they have ZERO right to b1tch and complain and whine how they were inconvenienced. BOO HOO! Where's my violin?

I agree with Jondo; I want a refund!!!!

Lol. I don't agree with the racism claim. See post 11.

death128 wrote:Lol. I don't agree with the racism claim. See post 11.

But you do seem to suggest that this is the bust driver's fault and that he should be the babysitter for these individuals.

They made the decision, the bus driver complied. End of story.

And I believe he was instructed to return to Waboden, as opposed to it being his decision.

And what about the people at Waboden? Why did it take 1.5 hrs to contact the bus? Or did they show up 1.5 hrs late and expect that the bus would wait for them.

If the driver didn't go back, I assume we would have seen a story about greyhound abandoning passengers in Waboden.

If the bus driver was ordered to return 1.5 hours into the trip that's one thing --- as completely stupid as that is.

To agree to allow the passengers to disembark is another. She/he should have spoken with the same person that ordered him/her to return to Waboden.

Bad judgment all around in this matter: the driver; the supervisor; the disembarked passengers...

It seems that the bus service also found the bus driver at fault... I don't want to speculate on anything else anymore...

Spekulattin is what forums are all about!

grumpy old man wrote:Spekulattin is what forums are all about!

o.O Is them a new form of caffee? I want some!

I'd like a spekulatte and a croissant plz

I'd speculate that I'd make the same decision and take my chance with catching a ride.

The worst that could happen is that I'd be cold for 3 hours until the bus actually came around again.

My decision would be different if I had a child with me though....

But that was really northern Manitoba in mid-March. Not a smart idea to be jaunting around in the middle of nowhere in the middle of the night...