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1Racism??? Empty Racism??? Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:28 am

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Stranded on the side of the road
Greyhound driver abandons passengers

By: Kevin Rollason


When Lauralye Ross boarded a Greyhound bus in Thompson with a ticket to Pimicikamak Cree Nation in Cross Lake, she didn't expect to be abandoned on the side of the highway watching the vehicle recede into the distance.But that's what happened to Ross and 15 other people -- including a baby -- on Wednesday at about 7 p.m., when 45 kilometres shy of their homes, the Greyhound bus driver suddenly turned around. He was heading back to Wabowden, almost two hours away, after realizing he'd forgotten two passengers there.

When the driver turned the bus around, said Ross, "This one girl said, 'Stop the bus, I want to get off.' Then the bus driver said, 'Get off my bus.' We just got off."

The passengers had no expectation of being picked up, but some hoped to use cellphones to call people in Cross Lake for a ride. They were helped to the reserve about 10 minutes after they were dropped off, by workers from the nearby Manitoba Hydro Jenpeg generating station.

Greyhound officials have already apologized, launched an investigation, pulled the driver from behind the wheel and offered to refund the passengers' tickets. However, Ross, who was returning home after having had her gallbladder removed in Thompson, said it's not enough.

"I'm not out anything -- the medical paid for it," she said on Friday. "I don't care about the money. I want a (personal) apology. This shouldn't have happened."

Ross said she was wearing only a sweater because she never expected to be dropped off on the side of the highway in a wilderness area.

Environment Canada said temperatures during the day in Cross Lake and Thompson were above normal, reaching almost 3 C, but dipped to near zero overnight.

Aboriginal leaders reacted with outrage over the Greyhound driver's actions.

Pimicikamak Cree Nation Chief Garrison Settee said he wants Greyhound officials to visit his reserve, located 130 kilometres south of Thompson, and apologize in person.

"This incident is inexcusable," Settee said at a Winnipeg news conference. "It is appalling. It is morally and ethically wrong. There has been a blatant disregard of the safety of my people."

Eric Robinson, Manitoba's aboriginal and northern affairs minister -- himself a member of the Pimicikamak Cree Nation -- said the incident "is inexcusable behaviour.

"We used to ride in the back of the bus and now we're left at the side of the road. I question the progress we have made."

Pimicikamak band councillor Donnie McKay, who is responsible for health in his community, said the passengers included people with diabetes and elderly people.

"This was very callous," McKay said. "I don't think anyone in the country, in Manitoba or Canada, can tolerate this."

Grand Chief David Harper of Manitoba Keewatinowi Okimakanak, said it was "totally unacceptable."

Greyhound spokeswoman Maureen Richmond said the driver violated the company's procedures and all passengers on the trip will be refunded. "Our main concern is the safety and security of our passengers," Richmond said in a telephone interview from Cincinnati. "We are conducting a full internal investigation."

Richmond verified the driver had been radioed by a dispatcher that he had neglected to pick up two passengers in Wabowden and needed to go back and get them.

But Richmond said the driver should not have just dropped the passengers off at the side of the highway. "He should have driven them there (Cross Lake) or made other arrangements."

Richmond is asking passengers to call Greyhound at (204) 949-7346 to help ensure they receive compensation for the trip.

kevin.rollason@freepress.mb.ca

Republished from the Winnipeg Free Press print edition March 13, 2010 A4

2Racism??? Empty Re: Racism??? Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:29 am

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Good grief. Doesn't sound racist to me.

3Racism??? Empty Re: Racism??? Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:32 am

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On the TV news last night it was reported a bit differently.

One of the passengers, that stayed on the bus btw, said the people that got off, asked to get off.

Big difference.

4Racism??? Empty Re: Racism??? Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:46 am

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JTF wrote:On the TV news last night it was reported a bit differently.

One of the passengers, that stayed on the bus btw, said the people that got off, asked to get off.

Big difference.

I saw that too. Some of the Chiefs will do anything to get in the papers.

5Racism??? Empty Re: Racism??? Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:48 am

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To headline the story as people being thrown off the bus is very, very wrong.

The Free Press is beginning to suck better than Hoover.

6Racism??? Empty Re: Racism??? Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:14 pm

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I'd be a little ticked off if during a two hour trip, after 1.5 hours, the bus would turn around, take another 1.5 hours to get back, then have another 2 hour trip in front of you, while you were only 0.5 hours away from your destination because of some bus drivers mistake... Especially if people were giving me a ride from the bus station at an allotted time...

I might even make a poor decision...

7Racism??? Empty Re: Racism??? Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:22 pm

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So what is the real story? Did these passengers request to get off the bus? I would say yes, because it was warm outside and anyone driving on the road would be happy to give 15 others a ride home!
much ado about nothing!
Was the bus expecting to be blown up by some palestinians?

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8Racism??? Empty Re: Racism??? Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:36 pm

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What appears to have happened was one "mistake" (forgot a couple passengers) compounded by another "mistake" (not continuing on before turning back).

The bus driver sounds like a complete idiot. And should lose his/her job. Because of poor decision making when he/she elected to simply drop those passengers off in the middle of nowhere.

Can't call this racism. Yet. Bus driver might well have been an aboriginal.

9Racism??? Empty Re: Racism??? Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:36 pm

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We should change the title of this thread to "Racism?" or "Stupidity?".

10Racism??? Empty Re: Racism??? Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:39 pm

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Agreed.

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11Racism??? Empty Re: Racism??? Sat Mar 13, 2010 1:46 pm

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It's an interesting phenomenon. This is obviously just a dumb, horrible mistake... but if there's a claim that race might be a factor... the mistake is overlooked and the 'race' card haters come out in numbers.

It's akin to the lesbian couple that tried to attend a school dance in the states. Instead of allowing it, the school cancelled the dance and the other students jeered at the couple afterwards when it's obviously the administrations fault...

12Racism??? Empty Re: Racism??? Sat Mar 13, 2010 1:49 pm

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In the end the "victims" suffer over again. What the driver did was stupid. He should have continued on to the end of the route, made a call and then if ordered to do so, double back. Seems fairly simple to me but then again when folks panic or do not have common sense stupid things occur on both sides.

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13Racism??? Empty Re: Racism??? Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:14 pm

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I understand he received a communication from Greyhound that alerted him/her to this "mistake". I'm willing to bet someone told dude/dudette to turn around and get the missed passengers. Stupid is as stupid does.



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14Racism??? Empty Re: Racism??? Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:18 pm

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death128 wrote:I'd be a little ticked off if during a two hour trip, after 1.5 hours, the bus would turn around, take another 1.5 hours to get back, then have another 2 hour trip in front of you, while you were only 0.5 hours away from your destination because of some bus drivers mistake... Especially if people were giving me a ride from the bus station at an allotted time...

I might even make a poor decision...

And you would be responsible for that poor decision, no?

15Racism??? Empty Re: Racism??? Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:39 pm

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Wow. Sounds like stupid mistakes were made all around, including the dullard passenger shouting "Stop the bus, I want to get off" in the middle of the woods. Yeah, real smart. Because of that, I would conclude that this was not a "racist" incident, as many of the first nations would have us brainwashed into believing. But the driver was still a dumb knob and should be punished.

16Racism??? Empty Re: Racism??? Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:54 pm

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I see two issues here that haven't been pointed out:
a) If the individuals were not allowed to get off the bus, the chiefs would be crying paternalism and decrying the fact that the driver did not let the individuals make their own decision.
b) Explore the issue of the missed passengers at waboden a little further. Why did it take 1.5 hrs to let the driver know? Were they there for 1.5 hrs? or did they show up 1.5 hrs late expecting the bus to wait for them? And if that is the case, is it systemic or just an isloated incident. I wouldn't be too shocked if this is systemic.
But racism? Give me a F'n break. Eric Robinson made himself look like a damn fool for participating in the press conference.

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17Racism??? Empty Re: Racism??? Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:12 pm

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The dullard passengers were picked up 10 minutes later by Hydro workers. They seem to have saved themselves a good 3-3.5 hrs by getting off the bus.

18Racism??? Empty Re: Racism??? Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:13 pm

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Lucky were those passengers? What would have happened if no one happened by?

19Racism??? Empty Re: Racism??? Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:15 pm

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Then dullards would be those passengers... :p

20Racism??? Empty Re: Racism??? Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:19 pm

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Good point, why the hell is a Minister of the Crown involved? Is this supposed to make him look like he's doing something? Should I call him if the bus driver misses my stop and makes me walk an extra block home?

Bottom line, if those folks asked to get off the bus, that was their choice.

21Racism??? Empty Re: Racism??? Sat Mar 13, 2010 5:06 pm

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No, no, no. Wrong bottom line... lol

Bottom line is the driver made a mistake and tried to correct it with another mistake... every choice after that is irrelevant, really...

22Racism??? Empty Re: Racism??? Sat Mar 13, 2010 5:09 pm

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death128 wrote:No, no, no. Wrong bottom line... lol

Bottom line is the driver made a mistake and tried to correct it with another mistake... every choice after that is irrelevant, really...

No no no. Right bottom line. Ever heard the expression "the customer is always right". If they asked to get off the bus, that was by their own accord. They are just as much to blame as the driver and Greyhound. Quite making excuses for them because they are indian.



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23Racism??? Empty Re: Racism??? Sat Mar 13, 2010 5:11 pm

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EdWin wrote:

No no no. Right bottom line. Ever heard the expression "the customer is always right". If they asked to get off the bus, that was by their own accord. Quite making excuses for them because they are indian.

Would you say the same if they were customers of Air Canada?

24Racism??? Empty Re: Racism??? Sat Mar 13, 2010 5:14 pm

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JTF wrote:
EdWin wrote:

No no no. Right bottom line. Ever heard the expression "the customer is always right". If they asked to get off the bus, that was by their own accord. Quite making excuses for them because they are indian.

Would you say the same if they were customers of Air Canada?

That would be interesting to see, wouldn't it? I heard AC provides parachutes for unsatisfied customers Racism??? Icon_smile

25Racism??? Empty Re: Racism??? Sat Mar 13, 2010 5:16 pm

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Heh...did you know that it's illegal to bring a parachute on a commercial flight?

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