the winnipeg sandbox
Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.
the winnipeg sandbox

Latest topics

» Gord Steeves should run for Mayor
by FlyingRat Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:58 pm

» To discontinue?
by EdWin Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:26 pm

» Sandbox breakfast get-together, Saturday, January 25, 2014.
by rosencrentz Fri Apr 11, 2014 11:27 pm

» 2013-14 Bisons/CIS Thread
by Hollywood Tue Apr 01, 2014 11:56 pm

» Katz must resign
by cobragt Mon Oct 28, 2013 5:09 pm

» Best Breakfast/Brunch
by cobragt Mon Oct 28, 2013 5:07 pm

» Manitoba Action Party
by RogerStrong Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:24 pm

» Police Respond to a silent alarm With Guns Drawn
by EdWin Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:10 pm

» Details about Cineplex SuperTicket -- interesting promotion
by MattKel Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:08 pm

» Freep locks out non-subscriber commentary
by Deank Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:58 pm

» 7-year sentence for Berlusconi
by FlyingRat Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:32 pm

» New Stadium
by grumpy old man Mon May 27, 2013 4:34 pm

» Winnipeg News Android App
by grumpy old man Mon May 27, 2013 4:33 pm

» First Post
by grumpy old man Fri May 24, 2013 2:43 pm

» The New Sals at Pembina and Stafford
by grumpy old man Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:35 pm

» Emma Watson wants to do nude scenes for 50 shades of grey movie
by FlyingRat Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:39 am

» Museum finally admits it needs to raise more money priovately.
by FlyingRat Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:32 am

» And You Thought Your Taxes Are High Now!!!
by FlyingRat Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:21 am

» free chocolate sample
by cobragt Sun Mar 31, 2013 6:12 pm

» Do you want a gift certificate for A winnipeg restraunt?
by cobragt Sun Mar 31, 2013 6:12 pm


You are not connected. Please login or register

Economic revival sweeping Western Canada

+3
grumpy old man
EdWin
tick
7 posters

Go to page : 1, 2  Next

Go down  Message [Page 1 of 2]

1Economic revival sweeping Western Canada Empty Economic revival sweeping Western Canada Sat Jan 23, 2010 9:51 pm

Guest

Anonymous
Guest

Economic revival sweeping Western Canada

by Nathan VanderKlippe

Mere months after Alberta took the crown as Canada's fastest-growing home to the unemployed, the province finds itself at the heart of an economic revival that is sweeping Western Canada.

Confidence has come roaring back to the resource sector that dominates the western provinces, as new hope for global economic growth fuels optimism that the see-saw of the past few years has given way to a more stable future for crude, metals and fertilizer.

All of that has translated into a sudden upshift on the levers of investment in Western Canada, as corporate leaders who have spent the past year biding their time and refining their plans now move billions of dollars to seize a moment for which they've been waiting. The latest came Thursday, when Canadian Natural Resources Ltd. said it is nearing a major new spending outlay in the oil sands.

“The West is on fire,” said Adam Waterous, Scotia Capital's Calgary-based head of global investment banking. “It's fantastic news for the country. These are big, big projects that are going to get developed. And there's no question that the West is going to lead the country out of the recession.”

The change has been propelled largely by signs of an economic recovery and forecasts of accelerating growth, which all point to renewed demand for the products the West has to offer.

“The industry is starting to accept that we are through the dip,” said Steve Spence, president of Osum Oil Sands Corp., which said this week that it has sought the province's regulatory nod for a 35,000 barrel-per-day oil sands project. “Not that things have gone crazy again, but that it's safe to start moving projects forward.”

Osum's project was just one in a string of high-profile announcements this week, which together have been industry's way of saying “We're back,” said David McColl, research director at the Canadian Energy Research Institute.

Energy executives were mindful of the sustained oil rally during year-end board meetings, a time of year when important development decisions are often made.

Oil has now traded at higher than $70 (U.S.) a barrel for more than six months. The stability has sparked a rebound the oil sands industry, which a year ago was suffering so badly that Suncor Energy Inc. posted its first red ink in nearly two decades.

Now, new projects have come flooding back. This week alone, Husky Energy Inc. and BP PLC have pressed ahead with their $2.5-billion Sunrise project; ConocoPhillips Co. and Total SA revealed an 83,000 barrel-a-day expansion of their Surmont project, estimated at $1.5-billion; and Canadian Natural Resources Ltd. said it hopes to announce an expansion of its Horizon mine by year-end.

Still, some worry about a return of the problems seen during the boom, such as soaring costs for labour and materials.

“We're in kind of a sweet spot right now, where we're seeing a nice, steady but maintainable stream of projects coming online,” ATB Financial senior economist Todd Hirsch said. “But by May and June, if [companies] are all starting to pile in again, costs are going to get way out of reach for these guys and it will be the same thing all over again.”

And some key areas are still weak. Natural gas prices are below levels many companies require for solid profits, undermining what has long been a bedrock of the Alberta economy.

The resource industry is betting, however, most commodity prices will remain firm. In B.C., a mining boom has been pumped up by solid gold and copper prices, a key environmental approval last week and the ongoing construction of the province's first new mine in a decade.

“The story is really the return of robust demand out of Asia, primarily for minerals, metals and industrial raw materials,” said Jock Finlayson, executive vice-president of the Business Council of British Columbia. Strong commodity prices also provide companies the opportunity to negotiate favourable long-term fixed-price contracts.

The B.C. government made a move Thursday to maintain that boom by extending an important flow-through mining tax credit for three years, until 2013. B.C. has also found itself with surging natural gas fortunes. Recent blockbuster land sales for the Horn River and Montney plays in the province's northeast are now translating into production that is expected to grow by 6.3 per cent in the 2010-2011 fiscal year. Even B.C.'s long-suffering forestry sector has caught a glimmer of hope with an unexpected surge in demand from China.

The good news has extended to Saskatchewan, too, where oil companies are rushing to drill more wells in the lucrative Bakken play, two promising gold properties are being developed and the improving outlook for potash, one of the province's mainstays, brought a $240-million (U.S.) funding commitment this week from BHP Billiton Ltd., which is working on its proposed Jansen mine.

“We feel there are grounds for cautious optimism,” said Roy Schneider, a spokesman with Saskatchewan's Ministry of Energy and Resources. “This may be not an outstanding year, but a solid one.”

Part of the optimism has come from a much better profit outlook. Though it was painful, the past year helped to strengthen many major projects. Sunrise, for example, saw its estimated construction cost drop by 40 per cent. In that sense, the downturn provided a much-needed break to trim fat from projects whose costs had jumped.

“That's helped to bring the cost structure more back in line with what might be sustainable over the longer term,” said Dave Collyer, president of the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers.

source: http://www.ctv.ca/generic/generated/static/business/article1439509.html

-----

This is just the news I have been waiting for. Hopefully by Spring the economy will be rebounding in all sectors.

tick

tick
contributor plus
contributor plus

everybody but me.

EdWin

EdWin
major-contributor
major-contributor

Hmm, didn't read anything about Manitoba as part of this "economic revival sweeping western Canada". Once again, we are left of the western prosperity.

grumpy old man

grumpy old man
administrator
administrator

Winnipeg and Manitoba has done wonderfully during this recession. Manitoba has pretty well led the country in many sectors for some time now.

This is an article mostly about Alberta and BC and their improvement.

Is your concern that some writer did not mention Manitoba in this story? Why worry about such an insignificant thing?

Guest

Anonymous
Guest

"Winnipeg and Manitoba has done wonderfully during this recession."

Oh ya. Our economy is just booming away eh. Smile

grumpy old man

grumpy old man
administrator
administrator

Relatively speaking.

You are such a ray of sunshine on all matters JTF.

Triniman

Triniman
general-contributor
general-contributor

JTF wrote:"Winnipeg and Manitoba has done wonderfully during this recession."

Oh ya. Our economy is just booming away eh. Smile

Doer overspent and we will be paying the price for it when transfer payments decline. Careless.

Guest

Anonymous
Guest

grumpy old man wrote:Relatively speaking.

You are such a ray of sunshine on all matters JTF.

Oh? I guess it is better to pretend we're something we are not eh, and tell ourselves everything is hunky-dory when it's not.

It's bad when you lie to yourself about the economy.

Bartron

Bartron
major-contributor
major-contributor

I've been laid off for 10 months now!

grumpy old man

grumpy old man
administrator
administrator

Allow me to rephrase my comment.

Winnipeg and Manitoba has done wonderfully during this recession. Manitoba has pretty well led the country in many sectors for some time now despite evil doer and his evil minions.

There can be no disputing that evil doer, and now selinger, are spending well beyond our means. And this will hurt us in both the short and long run.

But the Manitoba economy has been relatively purring despite those bozos. While other provincial economies have contracted with significant job loss, Manitoba's grew, with modest job loss, and still lead the country in employment levels. Our housing market has remained strong. Business is hiring.

It's not been all peaches and creme by no stretch of the imagination. But it is not so bad as some might have you think.

All this in spite of the evil doer party. Imagine how this economy would have done with a pro-business political environment.



Last edited by grumpy old man on Sun Jan 24, 2010 12:44 pm; edited 1 time in total

Guest

Anonymous
Guest

You have a weird way of putting things then. "Doing wonderfully" denotes a booming economy which we do not have.

If you are measuring on how we haven't faired as badly as other areas, you're spinning it incorrectly imo.

Guest

Anonymous
Guest

This economy runs on govt money there is not enough big money left in town , all left during the eighties . We are a province of the subsidiary plants of that much longer . Yes we have done not to bad for all the govt money being spent to keep it going .

grumpy old man

grumpy old man
administrator
administrator

JTF wrote:You have a weird way of putting things then. "Doing wonderfully" denotes a booming economy which we do not have.

If you are measuring on how we haven't faired as badly as other areas, you're spinning it incorrectly imo.
It's all about perspective IMO. I like to think the glass is half full.

Doing wonderfully when in a global recession means something completely different than when measured in a booming economy. No?

Most economic indicators for Manitoba are positive. Is this correct or no?

LivingDead

LivingDead
general-contributor
general-contributor

Bartron wrote:I've been laid off for 10 months now!

The life of a Conductor.

Just think, when you are 60 years old and are starting to think retirement your pension will be based on the best 5 years of service. So when you are in the twilight of your conducting career you will have to work non-stop to get that awesome pension.

I have 2 friends who work as conductors for CP out of Kamloops. They were both laid off in excess of 5 years, Now they only make trips when someone calls in sick or they get stuck switching in the yard, which does not pay as well as trips.

You could always look at moving to a less senior terminal, Hornpayne, ON. etc..

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare

Guest

Anonymous
Guest

Pavolo wrote:This economy runs on govt money there is not enough big money left in town , all left during the eighties . We are a province of the subsidiary plants of that much longer . Yes we have done not to bad for all the govt money being spent to keep it going .

That is starting to change. More businesses are looking at Winnipeg to set up shop from other parts of Canada. Once we get rid of some government red tape (taxes, etc) that reduces incentive for big business to locate here, we can definitely be a "have" province.

You make it sounds like there was a mass exodus from our city during the 80's, which is not true. Winnipeg has a very bright future, and with Centreport being developed, it may finally ignite the Winnipeg economy to boom, as never before.

Bartron

Bartron
major-contributor
major-contributor

LivingDead wrote:
Bartron wrote:I've been laid off for 10 months now!

The life of a Conductor.

Just think, when you are 60 years old and are starting to think retirement your pension will be based on the best 5 years of service. So when you are in the twilight of your conducting career you will have to work non-stop to get that awesome pension.

I have 2 friends who work as conductors for CP out of Kamloops. They were both laid off in excess of 5 years, Now they only make trips when someone calls in sick or they get stuck switching in the yard, which does not pay as well as trips.

You could always look at moving to a less senior terminal, Hornpayne, ON. etc..

I will definitely be switching in the yard for at least the first 10 years of my career. It's not so bad, it tops out around 65K a year. And the work is not very hard, just a lot of walking and time spent outdoors. But your right much better money once I get on the road. And it's even easier than working the yard!

I know it's definitely a different life style and not for everyone. But the little time that I did work I thoroughly enjoyed it, but who knows if I'll still be saying that 10 or 20 years from now!

Bartron

Bartron
major-contributor
major-contributor

Our seniority list, http://www.tcrc76.com/Members/Seniority/CTY/TCRC%20TRN%20%20Master%20Sen%20List%20Manitoba.pdf

I'm # 404 Sad LOL

A ton of guys that are eligible for retirement though, so hopefully they go soon!

LivingDead

LivingDead
general-contributor
general-contributor

Bartron wrote:
LivingDead wrote:
Bartron wrote:I've been laid off for 10 months now!

The life of a Conductor.

Just think, when you are 60 years old and are starting to think retirement your pension will be based on the best 5 years of service. So when you are in the twilight of your conducting career you will have to work non-stop to get that awesome pension.

I have 2 friends who work as conductors for CP out of Kamloops. They were both laid off in excess of 5 years, Now they only make trips when someone calls in sick or they get stuck switching in the yard, which does not pay as well as trips.

You could always look at moving to a less senior terminal, Hornpayne, ON. etc..

I will definitely be switching in the yard for at least the first 10 years of my career. It's not so bad, it tops out around 65K a year. And the work is not very hard, just a lot of walking and time spent outdoors. But your right much better money once I get on the road. And it's even easier than working the yard!

I know it's definitely a different life style and not for everyone. But the little time that I did work I thoroughly enjoyed it, but who knows if I'll still be saying that 10 or 20 years from now!

It is not easy on a young family. Most (80%) of the CN and CP conductors I have worked with are divorced because of the job.

Good luck, If you get lucky you could always move up the corporate ladder in CN. Maybe get into training A-book/D-book rules to contractors.

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare

grumpy old man

grumpy old man
administrator
administrator

My brother-in-law works at CN. He is a superintendent and they frick him and his colleagues around all the time. It is a ry miserable place to work and he can't wait to pension out of there.

I have a nephew and another (ex)brother-in-law that are electricians and they get fricked all the time as well. Both are laid-off.

My nephew found another job right away but will go back the second he gets recalled. My ex-brother-in-law will likely take a transfer to Moose Jaw or some other God-forsaken place to ride it out until he retires. This after living and working for that company in Winnipeg all his life.

It must be a charming work environment.

Bartron

Bartron
major-contributor
major-contributor

Good thing I work for CP! We always hear the CN horror stories.Especially on a rail employees forum I go to, the CN employees never stop bashing the company and they were ecstatic when the CEO announced his retirement.

LivingDead

LivingDead
general-contributor
general-contributor

Bartron wrote:Good thing I work for CP! We always hear the CN horror stories.Especially on a rail employees forum I go to, the CN employees never stop bashing the company and they were ecstatic when the CEO announced his retirement.

Hunter is a dickwad.

He wanted to move CN Winnipeg's hump yard to the states. Thank goodness the rest of the CN upper echelon would not allow it.

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare

Guest

Anonymous
Guest

LivingDead wrote:

It is not easy on a young family. Most (80%) of the CN and CP conductors I have worked with are divorced because of the job.

Sounds a lot like Winpak. The company is expanding rapidly, the work and pay is good, but the shifts were literally taking years off a persons life.

Bartron

Bartron
major-contributor
major-contributor

LennyJessop wrote:
LivingDead wrote:

It is not easy on a young family. Most (80%) of the CN and CP conductors I have worked with are divorced because of the job.

Sounds a lot like Winpak. The company is expanding rapidly, the work and pay is good, but the shifts were literally taking years off a persons life.

Economic revival sweeping Western Canada Lol I worked at Winpak for 4 years!

Guest

Anonymous
Guest

Bartron wrote:
LennyJessop wrote:
LivingDead wrote:

It is not easy on a young family. Most (80%) of the CN and CP conductors I have worked with are divorced because of the job.

Sounds a lot like Winpak. The company is expanding rapidly, the work and pay is good, but the shifts were literally taking years off a persons life.

Economic revival sweeping Western Canada Lol I worked at Winpak for 4 years!

I'm sorry to hear that. I saw the light after 18 months. In the Slitting department where I was a Machine Operator, 2 men in their late 40's having heart attacks, 4 men being put on stress leave, drug and alcohol problems, and a divorce rate about the same as CN convinced me it was time to seek greener pastures. I ended up in Alberta for a few years.

Bartron

Bartron
major-contributor
major-contributor

I worked in the printing department. So much petty in fighting, everyone is disgruntled and hates working there and everyone constantly complains but never does anything to change it. I'm glad I got out before my soul was completely crushed!

Sponsored content



Back to top  Message [Page 1 of 2]

Go to page : 1, 2  Next

Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum