Winnipeg Transit

and the CMA is NOT winnipeg.

Technically, it's not within the city limits. However, probably over 90% of residents in East St.Paul, La Salle, Oak Bluff, Stonewall, Niverville, West St Paul, and Headingley may as well count as Winnipeggers, since they commute and work in the city everyday.

And while I would LOVE to be able to assume at least 50% of those commuters would be willing to drive to the city limits and hop on transit I dont see that happening soon, unless of course a couple of much needed incentives go through.

Deank wrote:And while I would LOVE to be able to assume at least 50% of those commuters would be willing to drive to the city limits and hop on transit I dont see that happening soon, unless of course a couple of much needed incentives go through.

True.

Although I can see Winnipeg trying to annex the RM of East St Paul within 20 years, as it's really just a suburb of the city right now, with 10,000 people.

I liken the people of ESP to those of Texas.. fiercely independent and willing to take on anyone that tries to mess with them. ESP is primarily made up of people who got sick and tired of the taxes and such in winnipeg. They will not go down without a massive massive fight.

Perhaps...but my understanding since I've moved here is that Transcona, West Kildonan, Tuxedo, Charleswood, were all their own municipalities for years (possibly a few decades), but now are all part of Winnipeg directly.

It's probably only a matter of another decade or two before even Selkirk & Steinbach will be part of Winnipeg. .

ah yes AA.. but there is a huge difference at play.

I did a brief calculation some time ago that took into account the yearly growth number from the turn of the 19th c. and reckoned it would take 200 years for Winnipeg to reach a million population. Heh...even if I was only half right eh.

JTF wrote:I did a brief calculation some time ago that took into account the yearly growth number from the turn of the 19th c. and reckoned it would take 200 years for Winnipeg to reach a million population. Heh...even if I was only half right eh.

did that calculation take into account immigration? exponential reproduction? reduced mortality issues?

I'm new still to Winnipeg...but I'd estimate we hit 1M people by 2020...and that's only 10 years away.

I extrapolated the numbers from the historical statistical data that showed yearly growth figures from1880something I recall. There were bumps, but no big deals.

Did you know that the experts thought that we'd reach a million by1900? Yup.It's a fact. This city was poping back then...not so much anymore eh.

No...didn't know about the "experts"...though understandable.

In the 1800s (which would have to be who you're talking about) the rails were growing exponentially. Winnipeg was a major potential hub for the rails...and would mean the city would grow FAST...like Chicago did.

Some MAJOR setbacks occurred to derail that potential though, mostly through issues in the US with rail workers companies forcing the government to "close the borders" (not completely, just in certain sectors).

Indeed. We were on the leading edge of building technology. We had the first skyscraper built in western Canada...The Royal Bank Building, which was recently taken over by RRCC.

That was then, this is now though.

And...

Well...we're still on the leading edge of building technology, but most everything else seems to have gone to other cities in the west. Some don't mind that, while other really do.

I'll agree with GOM here....

and...

why do we stop because "this is now"? why shouldn't we be saying "what's next?"

the potential to be a centralized hub for commercial industry is NOT far fetched or out of reach...but it would take serious planning and agreement to get it done.

why...i just heard a commercial on the radio the other day about a centralized warehouse company where trucks can cross-dock their goods so long-distance drivers can keep moving. they arrange storage until local drivers (or their locals) can finish the delivery process. I've been proposing this idea to ALL major city centres for about 15 years now. There's NO reason for a 53' trailer with an extended cab tractor weaving around the downtown streets. Cross-docking should be mandatory for all vehicles 40' or over, where smaller trucks would finish the deliveries within the city limits. Rare exceptions for large loads (such as for specific construction activities) would be allowed with permits and pre-planning.

It would reduce congestion, damage to roads, and provide jobs for about 200 people to manage the cross-dock and local delivery system.

I kinda' believe that the "we're in a central location" will save us is a very hollow arguement in this day and age.

If you look at the corridor map that was posted, and if you acknowledge that most of the manufactured goods will be coming from the south, there's shouldn't be much left of the goods by the time they get this far north. We could ship to Regina and Kenora from Winnipeg, but that's about all I reckon we'd be doing.

I feel we're a small town trying to be a big shot town and the charade is killing us. But I'm one of those that doesn't want Winnipeg to become another Calgary. We have some serious problems here and we should be looking inward for solutions and not to what has been done elsewhere.

But hell...we could be hit in the face with the solutions and still not see them. An example is when we have all our roads crumbling underneath us, what do we do? We build more new ones in the boonies that we won't be able to maintain.

I'm becoming convinced that no one at city hall has a pencil so that they cannot connect the dots.

AGEsAces wrote:Perhaps...but my understanding since I've moved here is that Transcona, West Kildonan, Tuxedo, Charleswood, were all their own municipalities for years (possibly a few decades), but now are all part of Winnipeg directly.

It's probably only a matter of another decade or two before even Selkirk & Steinbach will be part of Winnipeg. .

Yes, I believe it was 1972 or 73 that the city amalgamated. Before that time, they had the cities of St.Boniface, St.James, East Kildonan and West Kildonan. The towns were composed of Tuxedo, Brooklands, St.Norbert, and Transcona. Municipalities that joined in were Assiniboia, Charleswood, St. Vital, Fort Garry, Old Kildonan, and North Kildonan.

In 1993, the residents of Headingley (area West of the Perimeter)voted to leave the city, due to the poor quality of city services, and high taxes. There was also a movement in St.Germain (south of the Perimeter in St.Vital) to separate, but that has fizzled out since then.

I would love to see a map of the boundaries of Winnipeg before unicity, as I used to have collect old maps.

AGEsAces wrote:I'll agree with GOM here....

and...

why do we stop because "this is now"? why shouldn't we be saying "what's next?"

the potential to be a centralized hub for commercial industry is NOT far fetched or out of reach...but it would take serious planning and agreement to get it done.

why...i just heard a commercial on the radio the other day about a centralized warehouse company where trucks can cross-dock their goods so long-distance drivers can keep moving. they arrange storage until local drivers (or their locals) can finish the delivery process. I've been proposing this idea to ALL major city centres for about 15 years now. There's NO reason for a 53' trailer with an extended cab tractor weaving around the downtown streets. Cross-docking should be mandatory for all vehicles 40' or over, where smaller trucks would finish the deliveries within the city limits. Rare exceptions for large loads (such as for specific construction activities) would be allowed with permits and pre-planning.

It would reduce congestion, damage to roads, and provide jobs for about 200 people to manage the cross-dock and local delivery system.

see and in Winnipeg we have our made in Winnipeg solution where there aint nothing downtown or not on a mjor route so we dont need to worry about trucks...

You guys write too much...
Put in some pictures now and then.