Haiti Earthquake levels Port-au-Prince

Triniman wrote:Also, remember how cranky and ungrateful some of the victims of Hurricane Katrina became? We're seeing that same behavior in Haiti.

Probably the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere, devasted by an earthquake, 50,000 estimated dead, infrastructure, or what there was, destroyed, can't take 2 steps without stepping on a rotting corpse, hmmmm, I'd be cranky too.

Like many people - I pay the government 40% of my income. What remains is not even mine. A good portion goes to all sorts of taxes including pst, education, property, fuel and a dozen others. My government rushes jets, personnel and $5,000,000 over there withing 24hrs. That is my participation. Glad I could help.

Deank wrote:

Triniman wrote:Interesting. 65% of people who responded to CJOB's poll yesterday said they won't donate anything for Haiti. It's higher than I expected.

Also, remember how cranky and ungrateful some of the victims of Hurricane Katrina became? We're seeing that same behavior in Haiti.

Yeah I was just reading about how some of the people are getting pissed that the help is not fast enough. Granted they dont exactly have a way of knowing that the help is coming, but its still frustrating to see people pissed off when the world is literally bending over backwards to help.


I am not surprised at all by the 65%. I would have thought the numbers would be higher.

I'm suprised the numbers aren't higher as well. Most people are selfish ass holes when it really comes down to it. I was fortunate enough to survive a magnitude 7.2 quake as a small child as did my family by the sheer luck of living in a country with better building standards.

I applaud those who have already committee to helping and will be doing the same as well. To those who are to self absorbed or think our government response is enough ask your self how long you could survive without water if Winnipeg were flattened tomorrow? Not to mention food, shelter, medical services, police to protect you from the looters etc. Those people are in much worse shape than any of us could imagine.

Speaking of Katrina, and aid, 5 years later, the money was still not spent.

Imo, people have become suspicious of fundraisers. They come out of the woodwork and then dissappear afterwards.

Be very careful to whom you give money. Even the Red Cross scammed us in the past eh.

grumpyrom wrote:Most people are selfish ass holes when it really comes down to it.

Geeze grumpyrom, you must be a real joy to be around.

grumpyrom wrote:

Deank wrote:

Triniman wrote:Interesting. 65% of people who responded to CJOB's poll yesterday said they won't donate anything for Haiti. It's higher than I expected.

Also, remember how cranky and ungrateful some of the victims of Hurricane Katrina became? We're seeing that same behavior in Haiti.

Yeah I was just reading about how some of the people are getting pissed that the help is not fast enough. Granted they dont exactly have a way of knowing that the help is coming, but its still frustrating to see people pissed off when the world is literally bending over backwards to help.


I am not surprised at all by the 65%. I would have thought the numbers would be higher.

I'm suprised the numbers aren't higher as well. Most people are selfish ass holes when it really comes down to it. I was fortunate enough to survive a magnitude 7.2 quake as a small child as did my family by the sheer luck of living in a country with better building standards.

I applaud those who have already committee to helping and will be doing the same as well. To those who are to self absorbed or think our government response is enough ask your self how long you could survive without water if Winnipeg were flattened tomorrow? Not to mention food, shelter, medical services, police to protect you from the looters etc. Those people are in much worse shape than any of us could imagine.

these people's everyday existance is in much worse shape then you can imagine even before the quake were you giving all the money you could to them even then?


I cant help everyone, its that simple.

To be perfectly truthful - I'm on a list of emergency responders and may leave with the next team on Thursday. The best way to help in this case is with your hands and your back. If anybody else has those two things and the time to go (10 day shifts) then PM me.

Jondo wrote:To be perfectly truthful - I'm on a list of emergency responders and may leave with the next team on Thursday. The best way to help in this case is with your hands and your back. If anybody else has those two things and the time to go (10 day shifts) then PM me.

That comment kind of smacks of a little arrogance. Most of us have jobs and while employers may be understanding, they may not appreciate fricking off for 10 days on a moments notice. While I'm in reasonably good health, not sure how effective I would be with hands on work in stifling conditions, maybe 20 years ago, but not right now. And most importantly, thats not what I choose to do, but if others do, then go for it.

Everyone should exercise caution in their charitable giving. First, check the CRA website to get details of the charity that you're giving to. All charities have overhead costs, but the donor has to feel comfortable that their gift is going to do what they expect.

Uhh...arrogance? Actually Freeman, I don't think you'd pass the mental/attitude part of the application process so don't give it another thought. You're better off staying behind and cautioning others on their support. Good grief.

Jondo, if you only knew, little man, if you only knew.

Jondo wrote:Uhh...arrogance? Actually Freeman, I don't think you'd pass the mental/attitude part of the application process so don't give it another thought. You're better off staying behind and cautioning others on their support. Good grief.

LMAO....Freeman is in the Military Jondo..

Correction GC, was, another side effect of aging.

Give me a break. I read your stupid remark to my committment. I don't need to know anything else. Little man? Arrogance? I can't believe that.

Anyhoo....
With all due respect to all the dead people, personally, as a news junky-ette, I'm already starting to get tired of this story. Katrina drove me crazy after a while....the news went on and on and on about it.
Oh well....

Jondo wrote:Give me a break. I read your stupid remark to my committment. I don't need to know anything else. Little man? Arrogance? I can't believe that.

Yes, you are an arrogant little man, but I'm glad you can read.

Jondo wrote:To be perfectly truthful - I'm on a list of emergency responders and may leave with the next team on Thursday. The best way to help in this case is with your hands and your back. If anybody else has those two things and the time to go (10 day shifts) then PM me.

I didn't read even a hint of arrogance in this post.

Jondo is not taking anyone to task for not giving of their time. He merely suggests that if you can to contact him.

This actually sounded like a very generous contribution.

Sigh...

Grumpy thanks for the injection of rational thought. I'm stumped at how somebody could read otherwise. This Freeman seems to prove the adage that wisdom doesn't necessarily come with age - some people just get old. You can now earn my respect. Start with an apology. I'd like to see that before I leave next week.

so just how big of a johnson is too big? 16 inches?

Jondo wrote:Grumpy thanks for the injection of rational thought. I'm stumped at how somebody could read otherwise. This Freeman seems to prove the adage that wisdom doesn't necessarily come with age - some people just get old. You can now earn my respect. Start with an apology. I'd like to see that before I leave next week.

Don't hold your right hand in your back pocket waiting, you may have to go left handed.The arrogance is really simple "the best way to help", and since when do you decide the best way, isn't that for whoever wants to help.

Yeah, but it's not arrogance Free... It's but one person's opinion.

Well, I choose to do nothing, so that means thats the best way to help...because thats what I'm doing. Thats how I read it.

Deank wrote:

grumpyrom wrote:

Deank wrote:

Triniman wrote:Interesting. 65% of people who responded to CJOB's poll yesterday said they won't donate anything for Haiti. It's higher than I expected.

Also, remember how cranky and ungrateful some of the victims of Hurricane Katrina became? We're seeing that same behavior in Haiti.

Yeah I was just reading about how some of the people are getting pissed that the help is not fast enough. Granted they dont exactly have a way of knowing that the help is coming, but its still frustrating to see people pissed off when the world is literally bending over backwards to help.


I am not surprised at all by the 65%. I would have thought the numbers would be higher.

I'm suprised the numbers aren't higher as well. Most people are selfish ass holes when it really comes down to it. I was fortunate enough to survive a magnitude 7.2 quake as a small child as did my family by the sheer luck of living in a country with better building standards.

I applaud those who have already committee to helping and will be doing the same as well. To those who are to self absorbed or think our government response is enough ask your self how long you could survive without water if Winnipeg were flattened tomorrow? Not to mention food, shelter, medical services, police to protect you from the looters etc. Those people are in much worse shape than any of us could imagine.

these people's everyday existance is in much worse shape then you can imagine even before the quake were you giving all the money you could to them even then?


I cant help everyone, its that simple.

Pretty HUGE difference between the shape they were in before and what they are going through now. Sorry Deank but you need to give your head a shake if with that logic.

While I'll agree that it's impossible to help everyone all the time, and that people are in need every single day.....I will disagree in saying that it is the moral responsibility of all people around the world to help during a catastrophe on this scale if they are able to do so. I may not be able to afford to help all the time, but I'm sure as hell not going to turn my back and pretend like today is just another day for them, nothing I can do about it.

"Pretty HUGE difference between the shape they were in before and what they are going through now. Sorry Deank but you need to give your head a shake if with that logic."

you really dont have a clue what you are talking about..
2 to 3 million people were homeless and lived moment to moment waiting for their next hand out, begging, stealing, whatever. The only thing that has changed is that those that HAD houses .. many of them died and now live on the street with the people who were already scraping by.

I personally take offence to that comment having come from the poorest country in Eastern Europe and growing up during the worst economic period in it's history. I've experienced poverty first hand, and while admittedly it was not as bad as the situation in Haiti pre-quake I've had more experience with hunger than all but the poorest Canadians (of which there are also far too many). I've also travelled enough to see the situation next door in the DR, and my understanding is that they are much better off than the average Haitian which is scary. So yes, I do have a clue what they were facing before.

The fact that there is now no access at all to clean water, any sorts of utilities, any sort of economy, a steadily declining security situation, lack of medical facilities to treat survivors, an enitre city to somehow rebuild in an already empoverished nation...and oh yeah maybe 50,000 to 100,000 bodies to recover and dispose of before a major disease outbreak occurs doesn't make the situation any worse in your mind?

I still fail to see your logic. Becaause things were bad before but worse now, we shouldn't help if we weren't before.....I don't get it.

No Grumpyrom.. my logic is not that at all.

My logic is self righteous people who for some reason can not understand why some of us dont want to donate to this event..those people never took the time to donate every single cent of their money before to the people of this country when it was in almost as bad shape before. Get off your damn high horse you donating money does not make you a saint.
I personally take offense to the fact that you somehow think I am BILLIONS of other people are lesser people because we dont donate to this cause.

Umm, whatever happened to the Christmas spirit that touched the hearts of many of us just last month, not even 30 days ago?