Northend violence

I wanted to start this topic about the worst area of Winnipeg. I remember topics in the other forum regarding the North end and how the media is always bashing and picking on the north end.

What is your opinion? I feel that the North End is one of the worst areas in Winnipeg when it comes to gang related violence. I lived in the north end almost my entire life until I decided to have children. IMHO, that area is not a good place to raise a family.

Goth_chic wrote:I wanted to start this topic about the worst area of Winnipeg. I remember topics in the other forum regarding the North end and how the media is always bashing and picking on the north end.

What is your opinion? I feel that the North End is one of the worst areas in Winnipeg when it comes to gang related violence. I lived in the north end almost my entire life until I decided to have children. IMHO, that area is not a good place to raise a family.

I would have to equate the north end with my toilet. You have to poo somewhere.

Pockets of the north end are decent but even those are becoming rare. I lived close to Scotia and it was nice....that streets even changed according to a girlfriend who still lives on it. Sometimes I think I would be better off raising my children in a small town.

I think it's even too late for the WPS to intervene in that area, even though city council said they are gonna clean up the place once and for all... We'll see...
I think the armed forces could pitch in for a full summer of social work, just to show local peeps that someone still cares about this city...

You just need more social programs, and good places for the kids to hang out and did I mention more social programs.

Social programs yes. Parent accountability no.

/sarcasm

Bartron wrote:You just need more social programs, and good places for the kids to hang out and did I mention more social programs.

I know a great program...

Its called mandatory 2 year service in the Canadian Armed Forces for every person living in Canada who is between the ages of 18 - 30.

If they stick it out for longer, then some free extended education, such as University or Trade school.

Works for me. Might teach those that need it most a little bit about respect and accountability. Damn fine idea. I'd also all for free or heavily subsidized education beyond the 2 year plan.

You have my support.

Or how about every able bodied person on welfare is forced to work, the only people who should be sitting at home collecting checks and doing nothing is someone who is disabled.

Mike Harris in Ontario implemented Workfare several years ago. The welfare rolls dropped like mad for a very long time. I'm for that as well. But what'll likely happen is screams of racism, sexism, elitism...

Take someone other that Evil Doer and his peons to do this.

grumpy old man wrote:Works for me. Might teach those that need it most a little bit about respect and accountability. Damn fine idea. I'd also all for free or heavily subsidized education beyond the 2 year plan.

You have my support.

I am serious. I see nothing wrong with people living in Canada serving 2 years in the armed forces. upon their 18th b-day or graduation from high school. Everyone who lives in Canada, rich, poor, landed immigrants, citizens, everyone. No exceptions. Conscientious objectors or people who feel they should be exempt can choose to serve 2 years in Federal work camp or a non combat role in the Canadian forces. Or they can get the hell out of Canada.

If they choose to sign on for another 4 years after, then Trade school paid for, or sign on for 6 years University paid for.

That is some serious incentive, and it would help maintain Canada's Forces Strength. With 2 Dart teams and those new globemaster Planes we bought. we could provide emergency assistance with in 20 hours world wide.

Main problem being is our military budget is always lacking.

grumpy old man wrote:Mike Harris in Ontario implemented Workfare several years ago. The welfare rolls dropped like mad for a very long time. I'm for that as well. But what'll likely happen is screams of racism, sexism, elitism...

Take someone other that Evil Doer and his peons to do this.

We need Kristine to join our little forum so she can tell us how she is entitled to collect welfare so she can stay at home and raise her children!

Bump it up. This might work wonders on so many levels...

Kristine? From over there?

grumpy old man wrote:Kristine? From over there?

Yes. I use to banter with her regarding the welfare issue...

Bartron wrote:Main problem being is our military budget is always lacking.

Yea but look at what the provinces would save on welfare. The first nations bands would save big too. In the end it would be a very good thing to do. Remember we are a country of 34 million. That is not too large for a program of this kind. Plus the services they Armed forces could provide in Canada would be helpful aswell.

Great idea, but you would need a drastically larger national defense budget. I'd also be all for judges being able to have the option of sending non-violent young offenders (16-25) straight to the armed forces for a minimum 2 years. Petty criminals like car thieves etc. A couple years in the military would likely teach them some respect for authority and some self discipline, can't be any worse than the slap on the wrist they get now.

grumpyrom wrote:Great idea, but you would need a drastically larger national defense budget. I'd also be all for judges being able to have the option of sending non-violent young offenders (16-25) straight to the armed forces for a minimum 2 years. Petty criminals like car thieves etc. A couple years in the military would likely teach them some respect for authority and some self discipline, can't be any worse than the slap on the wrist they get now.

In the military, military justice is not like civilian justice. You break laws you serve time in Military prison. There is no 2 for 1, for time served waiting for trial. There is no statutory release, there is no house arrest, and the judges are not afraid to give out lengthy sentences that fit the crime.

Most would come out with a profound respect for the military and for themselves and their country. Some self esteem and self worth would be side effects too. They would learn discipline, something some people do not learn from their parents or peers. And I would be willing to bet some of the people from lower income and dysfunctional family units would take up the offer of Free Trade school and or University.

Personally I think the government would be wise to invest in this type of program and fun the Military accordingly. It would go along way to help solve a lot of Canada's woe's

Once did and it was ruled unconstitutional due to forcing them to do it . There are parts of the right to choice that have to change and it would be an up hill battle . It makes so much sense to do it though.

Quite frankly, the idea of military service in lieu of sentencing disgusts me. I volunteered, and everyone around me volunteered, we were there by choice. Last thing you need in a contact is some 2 bit punk who thinks he' some kind of Rambo.

I have a better idea, lets make them all snow equipment operators, and then they can better serve us by having the streets ploughed after a snow fall. Or better yet, make them bus drivers, that would alleviate the shortage of drivers we have. Wait, instead of going to jail, make them firemen, we could always use more of them, and at least they'd know the streets of where the garbage fires are, as they would have been the ones setting them. God, I come up with good ideas.

Personally, I think that whoever was the criminal's victim should get to choose the sentence.

Or in the case of a victim who can't respond (too young, too old, or dead), the family gets to choose.

At least then...the only people who the criminals will target, are the bleeding heart crybabies who want to let the prisoners out without punishment...who think prisons are too strict...who think hugging a criminal is the surest way to solve the problem.

But the choices would have to include things like a slow painful death, having fingernails pulled out with pliers, and of course...a 6 rounds of "Russian Roulette".

Yes some of them would not make the military , would not know which end of the rifle to point at the target . Like I say to be set free you have to get your grade 12 , should keep them for 25 yrs most of them .

AGEsAces wrote:Personally, I think that whoever was the criminal's victim should get to choose the sentence.

Or in the case of a victim who can't respond (too young, too old, or dead), the family gets to choose.

At least then...the only people who the criminals will target, are the bleeding heart crybabies who want to let the prisoners out without punishment...who think prisons are too strict...who think hugging a criminal is the surest way to solve the problem.

But the choices would have to include things like a slow painful death, having fingernails pulled out with pliers, and of course...a 6 rounds of "Russian Roulette".

Mandatory Suicide

Send all gang members to Regina or Beausejour!