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On a serious note...who plans on getting the vaccine?

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Will you or have you been vaccinated for H1N1?

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Goth_chic

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I will not get that vaccine. I am still waiting to see if I will get my kids vaccinated. This is a really hard one, if I don't get them vaccinated and they become ill then I am to blame. If I do get them vaccinated and they become ill because of said vaccine I still blame myself. I hate the media/government for blowing this out of proportion...

grumpy old man

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I likely will.

Why do you believe the government is blowing this out of proportion? What real value is in that for them?

Deank

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Yeah and apparently now they are saying we should do the vaccinations in school. Which would mean my children would be "outed" and ostrasized in school. We already have people screaming that those who dont get immunized should stay home and lock ourselves in the basement. Now this would give them a way of watching it.

AGEsAces

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Actually GC...I feel the opposite.

If I don't get it, it's my CHOICE...and I've had almost 40 years of immuno-building to fight off some infections...so may be ok.

My daughter hasn't had that same immuno-building time...so I may get it for her...but if she gets sick...then I don't blame myself...I blame the government for forcing it on so many people so quickly.

Sure I make the choice on whether she gets it or not...but judging from the mismanagement the government and health authorities already display...the fact that they are pushing so hard for this means it should be THEIR butt on the line for any negative side effects or problems caused.

The same as everyone wants to hold cigarette companies liable for advertising that cigarettes won't cause cancer...and everyone should smoke...the government & health authorities are to blame should anything go wrong.

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Riverman

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I already got the seasonal shot and one for pneumonia. Ouch!
Yes I am getting the H1N1 shot, my doctor told me to. He bases his advice on science and logic.

Miz point

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I am going to call a friend of mine who works for the WRHA because I need to know how folks like myself are classified with regards to neurological/immune system issues.....my immune system attacks me.....this is why I am scared to get a shot because what if the cure is worse than the ailment? I have been trying to source out info regarding my concerns but have received no answers that for now, would be satisfactory. Should I expect to get a satisfactory response? i do not believe so.

We are in teh beginning of second stage.....what if the virus mutates part way through and thus renders the vaccine ineffective? There are many questions that need to be answered.

We based our use of this vaccine on the European trials and I believe this data should be examined and boiled down into laymen's terms and published....perhaps that may answer a few of those questions.

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Goth_chic

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grumpy old man wrote:I likely will.

Why do you believe the government is blowing this out of proportion? What real value is in that for them?

Not sure why they are going overboard regarding this flu. I know in the 70's the swine flu was suppose to make an appearance, the US did a vaccination program and about 4000 people came down with neurological disorders. The reason is because they rushed the vaccine out without enough research. That scares me. I will not get the vaccine for myself. I worry more about my kids. In my 39 years on this planet I have never had a flu shot of any kind. I can count on one hand how many times I've even had the flu.

Goth_chic

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I notice not one person has been vaccinated yet (according to my poll) yet the clinics are now on day 4.

grumpy old man

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I read somewhere, not sure where, that even people that have not "had" the flu have in fact have had it and their immunity system has done a damn fine job fighting it off. I guess I'm saying don't underestimate the flu.

FWIW...

grumpy old man

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Goth_chic wrote:I notice not one person has been vaccinated yet (according to my poll) yet the clinics are now on day 4.

Only certain groups are allowed at those clinics (high risk peeps). While I actually fall into that category I have: 1) no patience to stand in those lines; b) no time; iii) just had my regular flu shot.

Don't read anything into your poll results just yet.

Goth_chic

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I just spoke to my husband and he was talking with one of the guys he works with whose wife is an RN. They have a 5 year old daughter and are not getting her vaccinated. When a registered nurse who works on the front lines of the medical system is refusing the vaccine for herself as well as her daughter...makes me wonder.

JT Estoban

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I just got over the flu...well, sorta. Now it's just the cold that came along with it.

Not going to get the shot, I don't fall into any risk category, and I'm suspicious of how fast this vaccine was rushed to approval.

And like AGEs' says, health Canada and the others pushing, and pushing hard for folks to get the vaccine, should be taking responsibility for the sideaffects.

I'd still like to see the numbers for how many folks they figure will have side affects from the shot. AFAIK, they haven't released them (I haven't looked either)....but with every vaccine, they have a fatality/side effects guesstimate.

I'm just lucky I don't have kids, which means I get to skirt that conundrum!

Riverman

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MizP - ask your doctor. They know best.

Goth_chic

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grumpy old man wrote:
Goth_chic wrote:I notice not one person has been vaccinated yet (according to my poll) yet the clinics are now on day 4.

Only certain groups are allowed at those clinics (high risk peeps). While I actually fall into that category I have: 1) no patience to stand in those lines; b) no time; iii) just had my regular flu shot.

Don't read anything into your poll results just yet.

From what I understand, having the regular flu shot puts you more at risk of getting H1N1. I would think you would be one of the first in line to get this vaccine.

I have no underlying health conditions, my kids are both healthy with no medical problems. I am waiting to see what happens before I rush out and put a needle of God knows what into my childrens arms.

Deank

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grumpy old man wrote:I likely will.

Why do you believe the government is blowing this out of proportion? What real value is in that for them?

They are blowing it out of proportion for the simple reason of they are being forced to.

When you have doctors and other so completely wrong about so many things you have to wonder where they are getting their information from.

(case in point doctors telling people that all of australia has been vaccinated and there were very few ill effect from the shot and very few deaths from swine flu, so that is proof the vaccine works!)

the only true part of that statement is that Australia had very few deaths from swine flu.

Deank

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"Only certain groups are allowed at those clinics (high risk peeps)."

they are actually allowing anyone to get the shot. The high risk is supposedly because they want those people to get the shot first.

Goth_chic

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Riverman wrote:MizP - ask your doctor. They know best.

That's almost laughable. Dr's know best? In this lovely system we have they barely have time to listen to you never mind address health concerns you may have. At least that is my own personal experience with our lovely system.

No miz p you are the only one who knows best! Follow your gut and your instincts.

Goth_chic

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Deank wrote:
grumpy old man wrote:I likely will.

Why do you believe the government is blowing this out of proportion? What real value is in that for them?

They are blowing it out of proportion for the simple reason of they are being forced to.

When you have doctors and other so completely wrong about so many things you have to wonder where they are getting their information from.

(case in point doctors telling people that all of australia has been vaccinated and there were very few ill effect from the shot and very few deaths from swine flu, so that is proof the vaccine works!)

the only true part of that statement is that Australia had very few deaths from swine flu.

I'm glad you mentioned Australia. I have a girlfriend who has now been living there for 15 years. She is married with 2 young children. I sent her an email and asked her about the swine flu in Australia....she said she and her family were not vaccinated and they heard very little about this "pandemic". She also mentioned by the time the vaccine was ready for use, flu season was almost over.

Riverman

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I haven't had that experience. My doctor reads up on changes in his field all the time and knows his stuff. I trust him. And he does listen and makes time for his patients.

Perhaps you need a better doctor.

Deank

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Goth_chic wrote:
Deank wrote:
grumpy old man wrote:I likely will.

Why do you believe the government is blowing this out of proportion? What real value is in that for them?

They are blowing it out of proportion for the simple reason of they are being forced to.

When you have doctors and other so completely wrong about so many things you have to wonder where they are getting their information from.

(case in point doctors telling people that all of australia has been vaccinated and there were very few ill effect from the shot and very few deaths from swine flu, so that is proof the vaccine works!)

the only true part of that statement is that Australia had very few deaths from swine flu.

I'm glad you mentioned Australia. I have a girlfriend who has now been living there for 15 years. She is married with 2 young children. I sent her an email and asked her about the swine flu in Australia....she said she and her family were not vaccinated and they heard very little about this "pandemic". She also mentioned by the time the vaccine was ready for use, flu season was almost over.

yep.. swine flu vaccine was available for general public use on September 30 ( in trials before that though)...However for kids 10 and under it was not available ( different vaccine) Until October 19.

End date of flu season in Australia? September 30.

Goth_chic

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Riverman wrote:I haven't had that experience. My doctor reads up on changes in his field all the time and knows his stuff. I trust him.

Perhaps you need a better doctor.

Perhaps I do. Try finding a new dr in this system, very few are taking new patients. I am also basing my opinion on the 5 years my mother spent in and out of hospitals before she finally died. I saw first hand how these so called "professionals" operate. I remember when my Mom was first diagnosed with leukemia, the 5 dr's at HSC had a meeting with us. They said my Mother would not live the week, they even had her in the room with us. She was crying and 4 of those dr's were cold and didn't seem to care. 1 dr was not like them and he told me there is always hope, hold onto that. And guess what??? She lived another 4.5 years. They know best alright. On a serious note...who plans on getting the vaccine? Icon_rolleyes

Miz point

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Riverman wrote:MizP - ask your doctor. They know best.

I do not have a regular physician....all the traveling precludes that. I have been bounced around the system for years and have grown very weary....Telling me, someone who most likely is as well-versed as any doctor regarding her particular ailment could be taken as a condescending remark but I know that you have never exhibited that sort of behaviour so I will let the obvious, for now, slide.

When one has a hyperactive immune system one cannot take the same meds as most folks and most importantly, one does not deal with illnesses in the same way as folks with "normal" immune systems. As an example and this is not meant to scare anyone as it has rarely happened with me.....I caught a flu five times in three months down in Belize during rainy season - only once out of the five times was I rendered nearly incapable of walking to the bathroom.....I had to have a friend stay with me. The malady was gone in 48 hours. This has happened over the years but thankfully vanishes quickly....one of the "benefits" I suppose of having this sort of immune system imbalance. Bugs hit me hard and fast but they depart sooner for me usually than for most.

Now Riverman can you understand my concerns? I must contact the neurology department, if I can get someone to talk with me, regarding this vaccine. It should be an interesting exercise to see whether or not "they" are willing to commit to a solid answer regarding my concerns/needs.

I will never put total blind trust/faith in doctors.....Over twenty years ago a doctor told me my MS symptoms (then I did not know i had it but knew I had something serious) were all in my head. Why the fuc* should I believe anyone at first word? My levels of education and experience have given me the ability to research and break down information effectively....I shall trust my resources and resourcefulness first, then consult and cross-reference......

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Bartron

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Goth_chic wrote:I just spoke to my husband and he was talking with one of the guys he works with whose wife is an RN. They have a 5 year old daughter and are not getting her vaccinated. When a registered nurse who works on the front lines of the medical system is refusing the vaccine for herself as well as her daughter...makes me wonder.

Nurses aren't scientists or doctors they are regular people like us. They watch the news and are easily scared like the rest of us. The facts are this vaccine is produced in the same way the seasonal flu vaccine is, it just targets a different strain. The reason they are so worried about this flu is that it has the potential to kill normally healthy people with no immune problems. How many people in the world have been vaccinated now? At least a few million. Where are all the negative effects?

Bartron

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Deank wrote:Yeah and apparently now they are saying we should do the vaccinations in school. Which would mean my children would be "outed" and ostrasized in school. We already have people screaming that those who dont get immunized should stay home and lock ourselves in the basement. Now this would give them a way of watching it.

http://www.winnipegsun.com/news/manitoba/2009/10/29/11563656-sun.html

Deank

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"The reason they are so worried about this flu is that it has the potential to kill normally healthy people with no immune problems. How many people in the world have been vaccinated now? At least a few million. Where are all the negative effects?"

It has the potential.. which we have not actually seen it doing in any great numbers.

How many people in the world have had this flu already? At least a few hundred million. Where are all the deaths?

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