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1Canada's Debt Empty Canada's Debt Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:06 pm

LivingDead

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A few months ago I decided to send my MP an e-mail asking what exactly is Canada's debt and to whom do we owe it.

This is a copy of the response, I was surprised to see the 200billion in pension liabilities. Time to Axe the senate, Cut back on MP's expenses salaries and pension. Cut back on wages and pensions for bureaucrats and other federal empolyees. Increase some wages and pensions for our armed forces members.

200 billion. Damn. I should get a nice cushy fed job. Can you say easy street.








Dear LivingDead,
Thank you for your e-mail of September 18, 2009 regarding our
economy and Canada’s national debt.

With respect to your specific question, the following is a
lengthy and rather technical explanation that I hope addresses your inquiry:



As of 31 March 2009, the Government of Canada gross debt was
$810.1 billion. This amount comprises $100.1 billion in so-called accounts payable
and accrued liabilities, $195.9 billion in pension liabilities and $514 billion
in interest-bearing securities.

Accounts payable and accrued liabilities refer to amounts owed
by the Government of Canada for work performed, goods received and services
rendered. It also includes amounts owed to international organizations,
provincial/territorial/aboriginal governments, corporations and taxpayers as
well as the cost related to the management and remediation of contaminated
sites. Finally, it comprises interest due and matured debt that has not yet
been claimed by their owner.

Pension liabilities represent the Government’s obligations to
the major pension plans it sponsors. The Government of Canada sponsors pension
plans for all its employees, principally members of the Public Service, the
Canadian Forces and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, Members of Parliament
and federally appointed judges.


Finally, interest-bearing securities include mostly bonds and
treasury bills traded daily on the stock market as well as Canada Savings
Bonds. Of $514 billion in interest-bearing securities, $72.6 billion was held
by non-residents of Canada. As such, less than 10% of the money owed by
the Government of Canada is owed to non-residents.





Thank you again for taking the time to write, and please stay in
touch. Please let me know if you require any further information.





Sincerely,




Judy Wasylycia-Leis, MP

Winnipeg North

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2Canada's Debt Empty Re: Canada's Debt Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:16 pm

Triniman

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At least she got your name right. I can never spell hers correctly.

3Canada's Debt Empty Re: Canada's Debt Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:26 pm

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Yea to bad the Mounties and the Forces get a smaller pension then most politicians and the present goverment refuse to look at increasing it .

4Canada's Debt Empty Re: Canada's Debt Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:21 am

Deank

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I thought it was just increased in 2007? Or was that just a review was started in 2007?

5Canada's Debt Empty Re: Canada's Debt Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:32 am

Guest

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It was but the goverment refused to change it or raise it . Was in yesterdays freep can't find it now.

6Canada's Debt Empty Re: Canada's Debt Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:24 am

Freeman

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At least you got an answer. There are still a couple of pointing questions. $100 billion in accounts payable seems like a very large number. The pension liability is also a number that requires a good hard look. Pension plans undergo an actuarial valuation to determine if the money currently held is enough to meet all the pensions promised. Most pension plans are having a great deal of difficulty at the moment due to the volatility in the market, and most are facing staggering "unfunded" liabilities. I wonder how the federal pension liability number was determined.

I like how she sugar coated the $514 billion in "interest bearing securities" Call it what you want, its debt, its money owed to someone else and they expect to get it back. Who gives a sh1t how much of it is owed to residents or to non-residents? It makes a difference? NOT

According to the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, the federal debt equates to just under $15,000 for every man, woman and child (hopefully you fit into one of those categories), and that only the federal portion.

Helluva a way to run a country.

7Canada's Debt Empty Re: Canada's Debt Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:48 am

cherenkov

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Freeman wrote:I like how she sugar coated the $514 billion in "interest bearing securities" Call it what you want, its debt, its money owed to someone else and they expect to get it back. Who gives a sh1t how much of it is owed to residents or to non-residents? It makes a difference? NOT
She was simply answering the question that she was asked: "who do we owe it to?" I thought her response was quite good, actually.

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8Canada's Debt Empty Re: Canada's Debt Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:12 pm

Freeman

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So, then whats the point of whether its owed to residents or non residents?

9Canada's Debt Empty Re: Canada's Debt Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:18 pm

incognito

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Freeman wrote:The pension liability is also a number that requires a good hard look. Pension plans undergo an actuarial valuation to determine if the money currently held is enough to meet all the pensions promised. Most pension plans are having a great deal of difficulty at the moment due to the volatility in the market, and most are facing staggering "unfunded" liabilities. I wonder how the federal pension liability number was determined.

That number probably includes OAS and CPP.

I like how she sugar coated the $514 billion in "interest bearing securities" Call it what you want, its debt, its money owed to someone else and they expect to get it back. Who gives a sh1t how much of it is owed to residents or to non-residents? It makes a difference? NOT

The debt is repayable in $CDN, so it makes a huge difference if  foreign exchange rates go up and all those non-residents cash in their bonds to take advantage of a stronger Canadian dollar.

According to the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, the federal debt equates to just under $15,000 for every man, woman and child (hopefully you fit into one of those categories), and that only the federal portion.

Helluva a way to run a country.

TANSTAAFL - That's the true price we pay for providing all those "free" services everyone clamours for.

10Canada's Debt Empty Re: Canada's Debt Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:02 pm

Freeman

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The debt is of course payable in Cdn $, regardless of who it is owed to. Accounting provides that other currency must be stated so.

11Canada's Debt Empty Re: Canada's Debt Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:57 am

LivingDead

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Freeman wrote:So, then whats the point of whether its owed to residents or non residents?


I asked it because I wanted to know. I know that USA owes a hell of a lot of money to foreign creditors, Saudi Arbia, China etc.. And I was interested to see to who we owed. I am glad that we only owe 10% to foreign creditors. The rest is owed to Canadians and Canadian companies in the form of Bonds (Canada Savings bonds etc...) So when it boils right down to it, Canada owes Canadains

Just imagine, if we took that 200b in pension liabilities we could pay off 1/4 of our debt. each year. in 4 years we could be debt free. but all those people would suffer with no pension money. except maybe former MP's and senators, most of them are independantly wealthy.



Last edited by LivingDead on Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:58 am; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : typo)

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