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traditional blessing?

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1traditional blessing? Empty traditional blessing? Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:45 am

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Has anyone else noticed the huge number of "Native traditional blessings" that go on for damn near everything?

We have them being peformed for each pile at the HRM. We have them being performed before various city run meetings. And now we apparently have them being run in schools.
http://ww.wsd1.org/

On a chilly October day, a Grade 3/4 class planted the first crop in Earl Grey School’s new schoolyard garden.
At the opening ceremony, Aboriginal elder Flora Zaharia burned sage and conducted a traditional blessing before teacher Judy Wyton’s students planted perennials. Parent council co-chairs Marina Halligan and Kati Nagy were on hand to help coordinate the effort.

How come we dont have Jewish/Catholic/Muslim/buhdist/snake handler blessings and prayers? How come we cant even say the Lord's prayer in school anymore yet these aboriginal blessings seem to be happening anywhere and everywhere and no one bats an eye?


I thought little of it to until I saw that one on the WSD1 website. It just seems so.. hmm.. unjust?

2traditional blessing? Empty Re: traditional blessing? Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:06 pm

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I think what you are getting at Deank is there seems to be a rising pandering to that particular special interest group. I repeat then: This is all about optics Deank.

3traditional blessing? Empty Re: traditional blessing? Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:29 pm

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At the city meeting I was at (that speak up thing) there were two Natives there ( visibly native.. i am assuming lots with native bits and pieces in them )... both were invited. The one gave the tradional native blessing and left. The other spoke for what he thought and left.

WTF did we have a native blessing with no natives there to recieve the blessing? What gives them the right to bless us all?

4traditional blessing? Empty Re: traditional blessing? Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:38 pm

holly golightly

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How do you know there were no other natives there? Natives now have to look "native" in order to be??????????????? Give me a break................. Yes there are certain charateristics that the native people here in Manitoba have but I have family friends who are 100% mohawk from the Quebec region and they are blond and appear very "white" but are not. As the saying goes, you can't judge a book by it's cover..............

5traditional blessing? Empty Re: traditional blessing? Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:39 pm

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I would've left the room. I can bless myself if need be.

6traditional blessing? Empty Re: traditional blessing? Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:40 pm

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holly golightly wrote:How do you know there were no other natives there? Natives now have to look "native" in order to be??????????????? Give me a break................. Yes there are certain charateristics that the native people here in Manitoba have but I have family friends who are 100% mohawk from the Quebec region and they are blond and appear very "white" but are not. As the saying goes, you can't judge a book by it's cover..............

I highly doubt they are 100% native, is there such a thing as 100% anything?

7traditional blessing? Empty Re: traditional blessing? Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:41 pm

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apparently the school had no clue that an aboriginal blessing is in fact a religous ceremony.

8traditional blessing? Empty Re: traditional blessing? Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:51 pm

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holly golightly wrote:How do you know there were no other natives there? Natives now have to look "native" in order to be??????????????? Give me a break................. Yes there are certain charateristics that the native people here in Manitoba have but I have family friends who are 100% mohawk from the Quebec region and they are blond and appear very "white" but are not. As the saying goes, you can't judge a book by it's cover..............

If they have blond hair I think it would be genetically impossible for them to have %100 aboriginal blood in them. (unless the hair is dyed!)

9traditional blessing? Empty Re: traditional blessing? Fri Oct 23, 2009 1:22 pm

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holly golightly wrote:How do you know there were no other natives there? Natives now have to look "native" in order to be??????????????? Give me a break................. Yes there are certain charateristics that the native people here in Manitoba have but I have family friends who are 100% mohawk from the Quebec region and they are blond and appear very "white" but are not. As the saying goes, you can't judge a book by it's cover..............

Do you happen to know what the word visibly means?

10traditional blessing? Empty Re: traditional blessing? Fri Oct 23, 2009 1:23 pm

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Bartron wrote:
holly golightly wrote:How do you know there were no other natives there? Natives now have to look "native" in order to be??????????????? Give me a break................. Yes there are certain charateristics that the native people here in Manitoba have but I have family friends who are 100% mohawk from the Quebec region and they are blond and appear very "white" but are not. As the saying goes, you can't judge a book by it's cover..............

If they have blond hair I think it would be genetically impossible for them to have %100 aboriginal blood in them. (unless the hair is dyed!)

i know several white natives... who always have some white relative somewhere along the line.

11traditional blessing? Empty Re: traditional blessing? Fri Oct 23, 2009 1:23 pm

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Goth_chic wrote:
holly golightly wrote:How do you know there were no other natives there? Natives now have to look "native" in order to be??????????????? Give me a break................. Yes there are certain charateristics that the native people here in Manitoba have but I have family friends who are 100% mohawk from the Quebec region and they are blond and appear very "white" but are not. As the saying goes, you can't judge a book by it's cover..............

I highly doubt they are 100% native, is there such a thing as 100% anything?

yes indeed there are many 100% Native blood people.

12traditional blessing? Empty Re: traditional blessing? Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:17 pm

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Deank wrote:
holly golightly wrote:How do you know there were no other natives there? Natives now have to look "native" in order to be??????????????? Give me a break................. Yes there are certain charateristics that the native people here in Manitoba have but I have family friends who are 100% mohawk from the Quebec region and they are blond and appear very "white" but are not. As the saying goes, you can't judge a book by it's cover..............

Do you happen to know what the word visibly means?
Deank wrote:WTF did we have a native blessing with no natives there to recieve the blessing? What gives them the right to bless us all??
Are you contradicting yourself DeanK????????

13traditional blessing? Empty Re: traditional blessing? Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:34 pm

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it was actually mentioned at the meeting by one of the people on stage that they found it interesting that no natives were there. And no on spoke up. Mind you, with that many people wondering the same thing it would be hard for anyone to speak up I guess.


Tell me why we had a Native Blessing when there were no Natives there? And yes I specifically mean visible natives since there are very few non visable natives when counted as a percentage of their population and statistically for only the non visable natives to be there the chances are very remote.

I ask again, what gives them the right to bless us all?

14traditional blessing? Empty Re: traditional blessing? Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:41 pm

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A native blessing can be seen as a non religious blessing because it is not performed by a religious organization but rather by an elder of the native community. For other groups (christian, jewish, hindu, islamic) to have a blessing similar to the native blessing performed on a piece of land or at a large function the person is to be of "the cloth" so to speak.
And if you are against it then you have every right to leave the room, same as in the school system where a child who is against the singing of O Canada has the right to leave the classroom and not have to listen to it.

15traditional blessing? Empty Re: traditional blessing? Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:47 pm

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Singing O Canada and observing religious ceremonies are two different things. Not sure how it is part of this discussion.

All citizens of Canada are Canadians. They SHOULD respect Canadian ceremonies such as the singing of O Canada every morning by our children in their schools.

Not all citizens of Canada are religious and don't anybody force their religious ceremonies on me. You want to say the Lord's Prayer every morning? YOU leave the room.

I say leave the country if you don't wish to respect the flag and all of its observances.

16traditional blessing? Empty Re: traditional blessing? Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:47 pm

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that the issue.. most people see the native blessing as non religous because its not traditional. However it is very religous and I bet if it were a wikkan (thats not spelled right is it?) performing the very similar ceremony people would be freaking out.

I asked the principal if she every thought to have any of the other religons in to bless the school in similar ways and she said no. And after further probing it turns out she actually does not like "preachy"( my word not hers) blessings.

17traditional blessing? Empty Re: traditional blessing? Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:00 pm

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W I C C A N

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18traditional blessing? Empty Re: traditional blessing? Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:05 pm

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Smudging ceremonies by themselves are not religious but rather very spiritual. However they can precede a religious ceremony such as a wedding, funeral or baptism/christening. As part of a wedding ceremony or a funeral, a smudging ceremony is held before the religious ceremony itself. The purpose of a smudging ceremony is the act as a cleansing of a person, place or thing of any negative energy, spirits or influences.
There are a lot of people who confuse spirituality with religion and vice versa. I myself am a very spiritual person however I am not a religious person.

19traditional blessing? Empty Re: traditional blessing? Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:45 pm

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"There are a lot of people who confuse spirituality with religion and vice versa."
. If you believe magical smoke can cleanse you, thats religon.

20traditional blessing? Empty Re: traditional blessing? Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:53 pm

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Deank wrote:If you believe magical smoke can cleanse you, thats religon.

I disagree. Religion is usually defined as the belief in a god of some kind.

religion |riˈlijən|
noun
the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods : ideas about the relationship between science and religion.
• details of belief as taught or discussed : when the school first opened they taught only religion, Italian, and mathematics.
• a particular system of faith and worship : the world's great religions.
• a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance : consumerism is the new religion.

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21traditional blessing? Empty Re: traditional blessing? Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:58 pm

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As for the Aboriginal blessing, I can see why you might question the cultural relevancy for a group that isn't visibly Aboriginal, but given the population of our city, there are likely students of Aboriginal ancestry at the school. Frankly, Aboriginal teachings are pretty much in line with the moral values we generally try to teach anyway, so it's not really limited to one cultural group.

Also, giving thanks or giving a blessing isn't limited to religion.

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22traditional blessing? Empty Re: traditional blessing? Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:22 pm

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As to the original point of aboriginal blessings for everything, I tend to agree. there is no way that we can appease all beliefs, so why try. My workplace has many events with "blessings" and I don't participate in smudging. I also don't kneel to talk to my God. If the event is unique to a specific group, like a cultural centre of which the membership is generally of a certain faith (Italians = Catholic) then go for it, but please don't try to jam it up my ass, otherwise you're just as bad as the Jehovah Witnesses that interupt my Saturday morning breakfast.

23traditional blessing? Empty Re: traditional blessing? Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:47 pm

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anny wrote:religion |riˈlijən|
noun
the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power
Like a mod?

24traditional blessing? Empty Re: traditional blessing? Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:09 pm

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The blessing was probably towards the event and the people at it as GOM said it is a sad attempt to appease, so sad for all . And if you are offended then leave Dean , and yes I think it is over done too.

25traditional blessing? Empty Re: traditional blessing? Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:00 am

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I thought our school system was supposed to be secular. Mysticism, spititualism and religious hoodoo voodoo have no place in public education.

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