Human Rights in Canada

o.o The easiest is the WPS... There's no way in hell I can't find one visibly Aboriginal person in the WPS... There's apparently an older visibly aboriginal couple in the WPS somewhere...

Hmmmm.... that's all I'm about to share at this time... >.<

Edit: I've been saying this for a long time... Not much more I can say about it heh

WPS has several Aboriginal constables. One young woman worked in the Community Relations division (can't recall her name right now), there are a couple of beat cops. There was one fellow who was charged with some form of molestation thing, and is either on leave or dismissed pending disposition of the charges. Kind of takes the wind out that statement.

Considering the population and the amount of money that goes into the WPS there should be more. As I stated, I, personally, haven't seen any (except the one dude charged and he's been off the force for awhile now). Neither have any of my buddies.

Well, if you and your buddies say so, I guess it has to be that way. There is Aboriginal representation on WPS and they are trying, but a statement like "Considering the population and the amount of money that goes into the WPS there should be more", really says little.

Why don't you and your buddies apply?

I do recall reading about the WPS' efforts to recruit natives. They were not having much luck at all. I also recall a discussion, here or the darkside, about a cultural mistrust of the WPS and peer pressure within that community.

So it may not be entirely reasonable to expect there to be a greater number. That said, if natives represent 10% of Winnipeg's population then there should be 10% native representation on the WPS.

That said there should NOT be any loosening of standards just to influence that representation.

By the mere fact that one sets a goal of making a certain number, there will be a need to fill the quota...with anyone they can.

Example: Women firefighters = reduced physical expectations

people apply for jobs or not.
people get hired based on their qualifications or not.

Whatever mix of "races,sexes,abilities, disabilities, sexual preferences" should be 100% ignored.
If any group feels they are underrepresented they have 1 of 2 options. Apply themselves, convinces member of their group to apply.

I've seen 2 native WPS members. They've responded to calls in my area (West End) for things at a house across the street from me.

There should be though, NO consideration of race or gender when it comes to hiring people...ESPECIALLY when it comes to government positions.

There are companies in the US now which, if you put your age on your resume, will discard the resume without even reading it. An automatic disqualification because they aren't allowed to ask for an age when hiring...so if it's volunteered it could be construed as a breach of policy.

That should be the same when it comes to gender, race, etc. Qualifications should be based solely on items stated on the resume/application. If they are qualified for the position, then they are contacted and invited in for testing or interviews. It would also help companies and candidates, as the candidate would know if they were contacted, that they at least qualified for the position based on the information submitted...so getting the job at that point should be reasonably easy.

Deank wrote:people apply for jobs or not.
people get hired based on their qualifications or not.

Whatever mix of "races,sexes,abilities, disabilities, sexual preferences" should be 100% ignored.
If any group feels they are underrepresented they have 1 of 2 options. Apply themselves, convinces member of their group to apply.

I agree with you unless it actually makes a difference in how they can perform their job. It's very rare that it does, but there are some special situations. If an organization like a police force believes that there is a general distrust of them within a certain ethnic or cultural community, it could benefit the police by having more members from that community on their force. For most positions I don't think it matters, but in some cases with police I believe it could. For undercover work it definitely could.

I don't like the idea of using quotas and would rather see just doing more active recruiting to try to find enough qualified people.

well yeah for undercover work... but at that point you are taking an existing member and specializing them.

Its funny how some people are under the assumption that people are more willing to talk to a cop that is like them, female, male, asian, native... whatever. When in reality for the most part if someone does not want to talk to a cop, they dont want to talk to any cop. Somethings like rape and abuse victims for instance, well yeah they tend to open up more to females, but if its just co-operating when the crime was not against you... most people could care less.

I prefer not to talk to short bald obnoxious cops.

LOL... well expecially the one eh?

Deank wrote:well yeah for undercover work... but at that point you are taking an existing member and specializing them.

Its funny how some people are under the assumption that people are more willing to talk to a cop that is like them, female, male, asian, native... whatever. When in reality for the most part if someone does not want to talk to a cop, they dont want to talk to any cop. Somethings like rape and abuse victims for instance, well yeah they tend to open up more to females, but if its just co-operating when the crime was not against you... most people could care less.

I don't know if that's really true. When dealing directly with crime victims it probably is. But for getting more community interaction with police and for crime prevention programs and stuff I think having somebody from the community and who understands the community working on the police end can be useful. I don't mean this to sound like it only applies to getting more native officers, but for any community that's under-represented.

You would think so right? But guess what, the moment someone puts on the badge they are seen as an outsider and treated with mistrust by anyone who sees the police as being someone they would not talk to normally.

You wouldn't believe some of the crap that some of the reserve cops have to put up with.

If the WPS needed more aboriginals all they have to do is go to the remand center or the Penitentiaries!

Gom You are right about standards to bad it has been done for a few years now, just to encourage more to apply. And it is not easy still to pass and be selected to the force know many who have failed the background check the part that knocks out most Aboriginals, that and Education.

rosencrentz wrote:If the WPS needed more aboriginals all they have to do is go to the remand center or the Penitentiaries!

Yes, I totally agree!! We need more WPS in the remand centre and penitentiaries until there are more aboriginals in the force!

death128 wrote:

rosencrentz wrote:If the WPS needed more aboriginals all they have to do is go to the remand center or the Penitentiaries!

Yes, I totally agree!! We need more WPS in the remand centre and penitentiaries until there are more aboriginals in the force!

How can you agree, when thats not what was said? SOunds like we need another literacy program.

His statement was ambiguous.

If aboriginals want to be on the force then shouldn't they be applying??? Or should the WPS have to knock on their doors? In the words of John Stossel, GIVE ME A BREAK!

They have been applying.. I posted their yearly report earlier... matters are that white aboriginals are more likely to pass the psych tests etc. according to jim.

if they cant pass the tests, why would we want anyone as a member?

I assume the people who aren't passing the tests aren't getting hired.

well yeah, but what I am saying is that if it is noticed that a certain demographic cant pass the test, our response should be, hmmph well too bad. Not the almost standard, LETS CHANGE THE TEST!!.

Ahh. Yeah, I see what you're saying.

Deank wrote:well yeah, but what I am saying is that if it is noticed that a certain demographic cant pass the test, our response should be, hmmph well too bad. Not the almost standard, LETS CHANGE THE TEST!!.

I agree. Aboriginal, Polish, Israeli, German, Filipino, Korean, Irish, African, Asian, Caucasian. If you cant pass the test, no matter who you are or what your ethnicity is, then too bad so sad. Changing a test to suit a particular race is discriminatory against other ethnicity's.

What does it say to a race of people when a test has to be dumbed down because a few of that race cant pass? Maybe the people of that race, that could pass the test have no desire to be police.